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25 March 2016

Bernie Sanders Walks a Tightrope in First Middle East Speech &Sanders Outlines Middle East Policy 21MAR16


+Senator Bernie Sanders I VT gave his speech on the Middle East, Israel and the Palestinian State not to aipac but to the American people because American foreign policy needs to reflect the best of the United States, not just the narrow interest of certain groups. Sen Sanders challenges the status quo of US foreign policy regarding Israeli settlements in the West Bank, the political and economic occupation of the Palestinian territories and the war profiteering of the military-industrial complex. Just as Bernie refuses to kow-tow to the 1%, to corporate America, he also refuses to kow-tow to the special interest groups who have been dictating American foreign policy for their own political and financial gain. This from +Mother Jones .....

Bernie Sanders Walks a Tightrope in First Middle East Speech

| Mon Mar. 21, 2016 7:24 PM EDT
On Monday, Bernie Sanders did something his campaign has been toying with for months: He gave a speech laying out his vision for Middle East peace. With the other four remaining major party candidates traveling to Washington, DC, to speak at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference, Sanders opted to stay in Utah, where he is banking on a strong showing in Tuesday's Democratic caucus. Prior to addressing a packed Salt Lake City gymnasium, he spoke to a smaller crowd, offering the speech his people say he would have delivered at AIPAC.
"A lasting a peace will have to recognize Palestinians are entitled to control their own lives, and there is nothing human life needs more than water."
Consistent with his ongoing critique of economic inequality, Sanders, who is Jewish and spent time at a kibbutz after college, offered a plea for a more humane handling of the Israel–Palestine conflict. "To be successful, we have to be a friend not only to Israel, but to the Palestinian people, where in Gaza, they suffer from an unemployment rate of 44 percent—the highest in the world—and a poverty rate nearly equal to that," Sanders said, according to a prepared text of his remarks.
Israel, he argued, is compounding the suffering with its own aggressive policies. Sanders called on Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu to pull back settlements in the West Bank and turn over hundreds of millions of shekels in tax revenue to Palestinians. Peace, he also said, "will mean a sustainable and equitable distribution of precious water resources so that Israel and Palestine can both thrive as neighbors…Right now, Israel controls 80 percent of the water reserves in the West Bank. Inadequate water supply has contributed to the degradation and desertification of Palestinian land. A lasting a peace will have to recognize Palestinians are entitled to control their own lives, and there is nothing human life needs more than water."
As he moved on to a rehashing of his positions on ISIS and the Iran nuclear deal, Sanders hit on familiar themes, framing the failure of Middle Eastern nations to stop ISIS, in part, as a failure of wealthy elites. If Qatar could spend $200 billion on World Cup soccer stadiums, he said, it could surely spend as much fighting terrorists. Singling out Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, both of which have benefited from America's defense budget, Sanders added that, "wealthy and powerful nations in the region can no longer expect the United States to do their work for them."
"It is easy to use a war to remove a tyrant from power—but it is much more difficult to prevent total chaos afterward."
Last November, Sanders talked about his plans to fight ISIS as part of a larger policy speech on democratic socialism, but after initially hinting that a major foreign policy address would follow, his campaign backed down. During debates, he's often pivoted away from foreign policy to focus on domestic issues. But national security is one area where the differences between he and Hillary Clinton—and for that matter, the entire Republican field—are stark. Although he never mentioned Clinton by name, he acknowledged his Democratic rival in passing by taking a shot at one of their biggest areas of disagreement, military interventions.
"It is easy to use a war to remove a tyrant from power—but it is much more difficult to prevent total chaos afterward," Sanders said. "Just look at the cost we have paid in Iraq—a war I was proud to oppose. Just look at the chaos in Libya. It is my firm belief that the test of a great nation, with the most powerful military on Earth, is not how many wars we can engage in, but how we can use our strength to resolve international conflicts in a peaceful way."
You can read his speech here.

Sanders Outlines Middle East Policy

I was invited along with other presidential candidates to be at the AIPAC conference in Washington, but obviously I could not make it because we are here.
The issues that AIPAC is dealing with are very important issues and I wanted to give the same speech here as I would have given if we were at that conference.
Let me begin by saying that I think I am probably the only candidate for president who has personal ties with Israel. I spent a number of months there when I was a young man on a kibbutz, so I know a little bit about Israel.
Clearly, the United States and Israel are united by historical ties. We are united by culture. We are united by our values, including a deep commitment to democratic principles, civil rights and the rule of law.
Israel is one of America’s closest allies, and we – as a nation – are committed not just to guaranteeing Israel’s survival, but also to make sure that its people have a right to live in peace and security.
To my mind, as friends – long term friends with Israel – we are obligated to speak the truth as we see it. That is what real friendship demands, especially in difficult times.
Our disagreements will come and go, and we must weather them constructively.
But it is important among friends to be honest and truthful about differences that we may have.
America and Israel have faced great challenges together. We have supported each other, and we will continue to do just that as we face a very daunting challenge and that is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I am here to tell the American people that, if elected president, I will work tirelessly to advance the cause of peace as a partner and as a friend to Israel.
But to be successful, we have also got to be a friend not only to Israel, but to the Palestinian people, where in Gaza unemployment today is 44 percent and we have there a poverty rate which is almost as high.
So when we talk about Israel and Palestinian areas, it is important to understand that today there is a whole lot of suffering among Palestinians and that cannot be ignored. You can’t have good policy that results in peace if you ignore one side.
The road toward peace will be difficult. Wonderful people, well-intentioned people have tried decade after decade to achieve that and it will not be easy. I cannot tell you exactly how it will look – I do not believe anyone can – but I firmly believe that the only prospect for peace is the successful negotiation of a two-state solution.
The first step in that road ahead is to set the stage for resuming the peace process through direct negotiations.
Progress is never made unless people are prepared to sit down and talk to each other. This is no small thing. It means building confidence on both sides, offering some signs of good faith, and then proceeding to talks when conditions permit them to be constructive. Again, this is not easy, but that is the direction we’ve got to go.
This will require compromises on both sides, but I believe it can be done. I believe that Israel, the Palestinians, and the international community can, must, and will rise to the ocassion and do what needs to be done to achieve a lasting peace in a region of the world that has seen so much war, so much conflict and so much suffering.
Peace will require the unconditional recognition by all people of Israel’s right to exist. It will require an end to attacks of all kinds against Israel.
Peace will require that organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah renounce their efforts to undermine the security of Israel. It will require the entire world to recognize Israel.
Peace has to mean security for every Israeli from violence and terrorism.
But peace also means security for every Palestinian. It means achieving self-determination, civil rights, and economic well-being for the Palestinian people.
Peace will mean ending what amounts to the occupation of Palestinian territory, establishing mutually agreed upon borders, and pulling back settlements in the West Bank, just as Israel did in Gaza – once considered an unthinkable move on Israel’s part.
That is why I join much of the international community, including the U.S. State Department and European Union, in voicing my concern that Israel’s recent expropriation of an additional 579 acres of land in the West Bank undermines the peace process and, ultimately, Israeli security as well.
It is absurd for elements within the Netanyahu government to suggest that building more settlements in the West Bank is the appropriate response to the most recent violence. It is also not acceptable that the Netanyahu government decided to withhold hundreds of millions of Shekels in tax revenue from the Palestinians, which it is supposed to collect on their behalf.
But, by the same token, it is also unacceptable for President Abbas to call for the abrogation of the Oslo Agreement when the goal should be the ending of violence.
Peace will also mean ending the economic blockade of Gaza. And it will mean a sustainable and equitable distribution of precious water resources so that Israel and Palestine can both thrive as neighbors.
Right now, Israel controls 80 percent of the water reserves in the West Bank. Inadequate water supply has contributed to the degradation and desertification of Palestinian land. A lasting peace will have to recognize Palestinians are entitled to control their own lives and there is nothing human life needs more than water.
Peace will require strict adherence by both sides to the tenets of international humanitarian law. This includes Israeli ending disproportionate responses to being attacked – even though any attack on Israel is unacceptable.
We recently saw a dramatic example of just how important this concept is. In 2014, the decades-old conflict escalated once more as Israel launched a major military campaign against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli offensive came after weeks of indiscriminate rocket fire into its territory and the kidnapping of Israeli citizens.
Of course, I strongly object to Hamas’ long held position that Israel does not have the right to exist – that is unacceptable. Of course, I strongly condemn indiscriminate rocket fire by Hamas into Israeli territory, and Hamas’ use of civilian neighborhoods to launch those attacks. I condemn the fact that Hamas diverted funds and materials for much-needed construction projects designed to improve the quality of life of the Palestinian people, and instead used those funds to construct a network of tunnels for military purposes.
However, let me also be very clear: I – along with many supporters of Israel – spoke out strongly against the Israeli counter attacks that killed nearly 1,500 civilians and wounded thousands more. I condemned the bombing of hospitals, schools and refugee camps.
Today, Gaza is still largely in ruins. The international community must come together to help Gaza recover. That doesn’t mean rebuilding factories that produce bombs and missiles – but it does mean rebuilding schools, homes and
hospitals that are vital to the future of the Palestinian people.
These are difficult subjects. They are hard to talk about both for many Americans and for Israelis. I recognize that, but it is clear to me that the path toward peace will require tapping into our shared humanity to make hard but just decisions.
Nobody can tell you when peace will be achieved between Israel and the Palestinians. No one knows the exact order that compromises will have to be made to reach a viable two-state solution. But as we undertake that work together, the United States will continue its unwavering commitment to the safety of Israeli citizens and the country of Israel.
Let me just say a word about an overall agenda for the Middle East.
Of course, beyond the Palestinian question, Israel finds itself in the midst of a region in severe upheaval.
First, the so-called Islamic State – ISIS – threatens the security of the entire region and beyond, including our own country and our allies. Secretary of State Kerry was right to say that ISIS is committing genocide, and there is no doubt in my mind that the United States must continue to participate in an international coalition to destroy this barbaric organization.
While obviously much needs to be done, so far our effort has had some important progress, as airstrikes have degraded ISIS’ military capacity, and the group has lost more than 20 percent of its territory in the past year.
So we are making some progress.
But we are entering a difficult period in the campaign against ISIS.
The government in Baghdad has yet to achieve a sustainable political order that unites Iraq’s various ethnic and sectarian factions, which has limited its ability to sustain military victories against ISIS. Unless there is a united government, it’s going to be hard to be effective in destroying ISIS.
More inclusive, stable governance in Iraq will be vital to inflict a lasting defeat on ISIS. Otherwise, ISIS could regain its influence or another, similar organization may spring up in its place.
In Syria, the challenges are even more difficult. The fractured nature of the civil war there has often diluted the fight against ISIS – exemplified by the Russian airstrikes that prioritized hitting anti-Assad fighters rather than ISIS. And, just like in Iraq, ISIS cannot be defeated until the groups that take territory from ISIS can responsibly govern the areas they take back. Ultimately, this will require a political framework for all of Syria.
The U.S. must also play a greater role disrupting the financing of ISIS and efforts on the Internet to turn disaffected youth into a new generation of terrorists.
While the U.S. has an important role to play in defeating ISIS, that struggle must be led by the Muslim countries themselves on the ground. I agree with King Abdullah of Jordan who a number of months ago that made it clear what is going on there right now is nothing less than a battle for the soul of Islam and the only people who will effectively destroy ISIS there will be Muslim troops on the ground.
So what we need is a coalition of those countries.
Now, I am not suggesting that Saudi Arabia or any other states in the region invade other countries, nor unilaterally intervene in conflicts driven in part by sectarian tensions.
What I am saying is that the major powers in the region – especially the Gulf States – have to take greater responsibility for the future of the Middle East and the defeat of ISIS.
What I am saying is that countries like Qatar – which intends to spend up to $200 billion to host the 2022 World Cup – Qatar which per capita is the wealthiest nation in the world – Qatar can do more to contribute to the fight Against ISIS. If they are prepared to spend $200 billion for a soccer tournament, then they have got to spend a lot spend a lot more against a barbaric organization.
What I am also saying is that other countries in the region – like Saudi Arabia, which has the 4th largest defense budget in the world – has to dedicate itself more fully to the destruction of ISIS, instead of other military adventures like the one it is pursuing right now in Yemen.
And keep in mind that while ISIS is obviously a dangerous and formidable enemy, ISIS has only 30,000 fighters on the ground. So when we ask the nations in the region to stand up to do more against ISIS – nations in the region which have millions of men and women under arms – we know it is surely within their capability to destroy ISIS.
Now the United States has every right in the world to insist on these points. Remember – I want everybody to remember – that not so many years ago it was the United States and our troops that reinstalled the royal family in Kuwait after Saddam Hussein’s invasion in 1990. We put these people back on the throne. Now they have the obligation to work with us and other countries to destroy ISIS.
The very wealthy – and some of these countries are extraordinarily wealthy from oil money or gas money – these very wealthy and powerful nations in the region can no longer expect the United States to do their work for them. Uncle Sam cannot and should not do it all. We are not the policeman of the world.
As we continue a strongly coordinated effort against ISIS, the United States and other western nations should be supportive of efforts to fight ISIS and al-Qaeda. But it is the countries in the region that have to stand up against these violently extremist and brutal organizations.
Now I realize that given the geopolitics of the region this is not going to be easy. I realize that there are very strong and historical disagreements between different countries in the region about how ISIS should be dealt with.
I realize different countries have different priorities. But we can help set the agenda and mobilize stronger collective action to defeat ISIS in a lasting way.
Bottom line is the countries in the region – countries which by the way are most threatened by ISIS – they’re going to have to come together, they’re going to have to work out their compromises, they are going to have to lead the effort with the support of the United States and other major powers in destroying ISIS.
Another major challenge in the region, of course, is the Syrian Civil War itself – one of the worst humanitarian disasters in recent history.
After five years of brutal conflict, the only solution in Syria will be, in my view, a negotiated political settlement. Those who advocate for stronger military involvement by the U.S. to oust Assad from power have not paid close enough attention to history. That would simply prolong the war and increase the chaos in Syria, not end it.
In other words, we all recognize that Assad is a brutal dictator. But I think that our priorities right now have got to be destroy ISIS, work out a political settlement with Russia and Iran to get Assad out of power.
I applaud Secretary Kerry and the Obama administration for negotiating a partial ceasefire between the Assad regime and most opposition forces. The ceasefire shows the value of American-led diplomacy, rather than escalating violence. It may not seem like a lot, but it is. Diplomacy in this instance has had some real success.
Let me also say what I think most Americans now understand, that for a great military power like the United States it is easy to use a war to remove a tyrant from power, but it is much more difficult to comprehend the day after that tyrant is removed from power and a political vacuum occurs.
All of us know what has occurred in Iraq. We got rid of Saddam Hussein, a brutal, brutal murderer and a tyrant. And yet we created massive instability in that region which led to the creation of ISIS. I am very proud to have been one of the members in Congress to vote against that disastrous war.
And the situation is not totally dissimilar from what has happened in Libya. We got rid of a terrible dictator there, Colonel Gaddafi, but right now chaos has erupted and ISIS now has a foothold in that area.
Bottom line is that regime change for a major power like us is not hard. But understanding what happens afterward is something that always has got to be taken into consideration.
In my view, the military option for a powerful nation like ours – the most powerful nation in the world – should always be on the table. That’s why we have the most powerful military in the world. But it should always be the last resort not the first resort.
Another major challenge in the region is Iran, which routinely destabilizes the Middle East and threatens the security of Israel.
Now, I think all of us agree that Iran must not be able to acquire a nuclear weapon. That would just destabilize the entire region and create disastrous consequences.
Where we may disagree is how to achieve that goal. I personally strongly supported the nuclear deal with the United States, France, China, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom and Iran because I believe it is the best hope to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.
I want to thank the Obama administration for doing a very good job under very, very difficult circumstances.
I believe we have an obligation to pursue diplomatic solutions before resorting to military intervention.
You know it is very easy for politicians to go before the people and talk about how tough we are, and we want to wipe out everybody else. But I think if we have learned anything from history is that we pursue every diplomatic option before we resort to military intervention.
And interestingly enough, more often than not, diplomacy can achieve goals that military intervention cannot achieve. And that is why I supported the sanctions that brought Iran to the negotiating table and allowed us to reach an agreement.
But let me tell you what I firmly believe. The bottom line is this: if successfully implemented – and I think it can be – the nuclear deal will prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. And preventing Iran from getting the bomb makes the world a safer place.
Does the agreement achieve everything I would like? Of course not.
But to my mind, it is far better than the path we were on with Iran developing nuclear weapons and the potential for military intervention by the United States and Israel growing greater by the day.
I do not accept the idea that the “pro-Israel” position was to oppose the deal.
Preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon will strengthen not only the United States’ security, but Israel’s security as well.
And I am not alone in that idea. While Prime Minister Netanyahu is vocally opposed to the accord, his is hardly a consensus opinion in Israel and it’s important that everyone understand that. Dozens of former security officials, including retired Army generals and chiefs of the Shin Bet and Mossad intelligence agencies support the agreement. Netanyahu may not, but many others in Israel do.
But let me be clear: if Iran does not live up to the agreement, we should re-impose sanctions and all options are back on the table.
Moreover, the deal does not mean we let Iran’s aggressive acts go unchecked. The world must stand united in condemning Iran’s recent ballistic missile tests as well as its continued support for terrorism through groups like Hezbollah.
Going forward, I believe we need a longer-term vision for dealing with Iran that balances two important objectives.
First, we must counter the destabilizing behavior of Iran’s leaders.
But secondly we must also leave the door open to more diplomacy to encourage Iranian moderates and the segments of the Iranian people – especially the younger generations – who want a better relationship with the West. While only a small step in the right direction, I was heartened by the results of the recent parliamentary elections in which Iranian voters elected moderates in what was, in part, a referendum on the nuclear deal.
I know that some say there is just no dealing with Iran – in any way at all – for the foreseeable future. And that is the position of some. After all, Iran is in a competition with Saudi Arabia and its allies for influences over that region.
But a more balanced approach toward Iran that serves our national security interests should hardly be a radical idea. We have serious concerns about the nature of the Iranian government, but we have to be honest enough, and sometimes we are not, to admit that Saudi Arabia – a repressive regime in its own right – is hardly an example of Jeffersonian democracy.
Balancing firmness with willingness to engage with diplomacy in dealing with Iran will not be easy. But it is the wisest course of action to help improve the long-term prospects of stability and peace in the Middle East – and to keep us safe.
Lastly, these are but some – not all – of the major issues where the interests of Israel intersect with those of the United States. I would address these issues and challenges as I would most issues and that is by having an honest discussion and by bringing people together.
The truth is there are good people on both sides who want peace, And the other truth is there are despots and liars on both sides who benefit from continued antagonism.
I would conclude by saying there has been a disturbing trend among some of the Republicans in this presidential election that take a very, very different approach. And their approach I think would be a disaster for this country. The Republican front-runner, Donald Trump, suggested limiting immigration according to religion and creating a national database based on religion – something unprecedented in our country’s history.
Now this would not only go against everything we stand for as a nation, but also – in terms of our relationship to the rest of the world – it would be a disaster.
Let me just conclude by saying this: the issues that I’ve discussed today are not going to be easily solved.
Everybody knows that. But I think the United States has the opportunity, as the most powerful nation on earth, to play an extraordinary role in trying to bring people together – to try to put together coalitions in the region to destroy ISIS.
And that is a responsibility that I, if elected president, would accept in a very, very serious way. We have seen too many wars, too much killing, too much suffering. And let us all together – people of good faith – do everything we can to finally, finally bring peace and stability to that region.
Thank you all very much.

18 August 2013

UPDATED Israeli-Palestinian Peace Talks Highlight Israel's Desperate Need for Legitimacy In Face of Growing International Criticism 17&30AUG13

THE latest round of Israeli - Palestinian peace talks are doomed and a waste of time. Israel has no intention of any progress from these talks, and will find, and be supported by the American government, a way to blame the Palestinians for the failure of these talks. Israel will continue to impose on the West Bank and Gaza many of the same tactics the nazis used against the Jews and the occupied nations of Europe in WW II. Until the American government finds the moral courage to stand up to aipac and the old guard zionist of the Israeli political establishment as well as the Arab world who has used and neglected the Palestinians, the Palestinians will continue to struggle just to survive under the thumb of an apartheid state and the children of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza will grow up knowing only the threat of war and hatred of each other. That should be enough to move their parents to really seek peace, should be enough if the Israelis and Palestinians really do love their children. For an objective view of the Israeli - Palestinian peace process read Brokers of Deceit by Rashid Khalidi. This from TRNN....UPDATED on 30AUG13, at the end of the post I have added the civil exchange between Shel and myself on the TRNN page for this post...


http://youtu.be/RRKNHw8_PJQ
Published on Aug 16, 2013
Shir Hever: Israel wants negotiations with the Palestinians to continue for the same reason it recruits students to serve as propaganda agents, it tries to restore its tainted imageShir Hever: Israel wants negotiations with the Palestinians to continue for the same reason it recruits students to serve as propaganda agents, it tries to restore its tainted image -   August 17, 13



Bio

Shir Hever is an economic researcher in the Alternative Information Center, a Palestinian-Israeli organization active in Jerusalem and Beit-Sahour. Researching the economic aspect of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories, some of his research topics include international aid to the Palestinians and Israel, the effects of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories on the Israeli economy, and the boycott, divestment and sanctions campaigns against Israel. He is a frequent speaker on the topic of the economy of the Israeli occupation.

Transcript

Israeli-Palestinian Peace Talks Highlight Israel's Desperate Need for Legitimacy In 
Face of Growing International CriticismJESSICA DESVARIEUX, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Jessica Desvarieux in Baltimore.This week, peace negotiations between Israeli and Palestinian leaders took place, but they were shadowed by news of the Israeli government building settlements in the West Bank. Now joining us to give us a perspective that you won't hear in the mainstream media is Shir Hever. Shir is an economist studying the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories for the Alternative Information Center. Thank you for joining us, Shir.SHIR HEVER, ECONOMIST, ALTERNATIVE INFORMATION CENTER: Thank you for having me, Jessica.DESVARIEUX: So, Shir, we've been covering this story at The Real News, and what we've been hearing is that essentially these talks are doomed to fail. So why is Israel and Palestine, why are they both deciding to participate in these talks?HEVER: I think it's at this point know by practically everyone that these talks cannot succeed, because Israel is not interested in having a solution or having any kind of compromise. Israel is interested in maintaining the conversation, maintaining these talks forever. As long as the talks can take place, Israel can maintain its international image. And what you hear from the Israeli government quite a lot is that Israel should not be pressured by the international community for ending the occupation. There shouldn't be any boycott against Israel, there shouldn't be any kind of sanctions against Israeli war crimes and apartheid, because Israel is engaged in peace negotiations, and those sort of sanctions or boycott would be harmful to peace process. This is exactly the kind of strategy that Israel is trying to adopt. And what we hear now, the breaking news from this week, is that the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has signed an agreement with the Israeli student union, which represents most but not all students in Israel, so that students will work for the government and be paid public money to work as paid commentators, and they would work anonymously to promote Israeli propaganda in the world and social media.And this story really shows what Israel is trying to get from these peace talks. Israel is trying to get credibility, Israel is trying to get legitimacy and to restore its images much as it can. But, of course, they have no real interest in the substance.Now, you also ask why are the Palestinians willing to negotiate, and that's maybe not a question that I am the best person qualified to answer. I think there is a lot of pressure on the Palestinian government in the West Bank of the Palestinian--on Mahmoud Abbas to continue the negotiations. Mahmoud Abbas has had a very clear position that negotiations will not resume unless Israel freezes construction in the illegal colonies. And it's very clear that Israel does not freeze that construction.DESVARIEUX: Okay. Let's talk a little bit more about the construction. How was this even able to happen? I mean, if Israel knows it's going to be coming to the table to negotiate, how is this even possible?HEVER: I think it's very clear when Israel is building these colonies in the area that it is supposed to negotiate about and that its future is not clear because this area might become part of the Palestinian state, then it's obvious that Israel is intentionally and directly sabotaging the negotiations. But I don't think that it's just because Netanyahu is doing two things at once and sabotaging the negotiations while trying to push for negotiations at the same time. Netanyahu honestly wants negotiations to happen. He doesn't want a Palestinian state. He doesn't want peace. He doesn't want an end of the occupation. But he wants negotiations. Negotiations themselves can fail because of the construction of the colonies. But the thing is that the Israeli government has built over the years sort of pockets of autonomy within its own government structure. There is a decent realization of decision-making processes, especially regarding the occupation and the colonies. In fact, no one in the Israeli government actually knows how much money is funneled into the colonies, because of all these pockets that allow funds to be transferred based on decisions of lower-, mid-level clerks and officials who are appointed in order to promote right-wing agendas and to help subsidize the colonies, but to do so in a clandestine fashion. And this is a policy that is quite special to Israel. It's not very common in Western countries to have a sort of decentralized government model like this. And the best example, I think, was just in the the very first days of the occupation during the war of 1967, the Six-Day War. Towards the end of that war, Israeli soldiers have occupied East Jerusalem, and they found the Wailing Wall, which is a religious site which is holy to the Jewish religion, and they decided to demolish an entire Palestinian neighborhood that surrounded the wall. And in their journals, those soldiers wrote, we decided not to ask the government for permission or for direct--for instructions about what to do about this Palestinian neighborhood, because we didn't want the government to have a sort of written record of the decision to demolish the neighborhood. We understood that we were expected to demolish it, but it's best that these things are done unofficially. And that kind of ideology, that kind of method of operation signifies in many ways the way that Israel has occupied the Palestinian territories for the past 45 years, 46 years.DESVARIEUX: Okay. Now let's talk about the United States, who is playing the role of mediator in all of this. What does the U.S. have to gain from participating and mediating these negotiations?HEVER: I don't think that the U.S. has much to gain from this, because I'm pretty sure that Senator Kerry, Barack Obama, they know--sorry, Secretary of State Kerry and Barack Obama, they know very well that these negotiations are going to fail, because they're not willing to put any pressure on Israel and they're not really mediators between the side. They are just supporting the Israeli side in a very clear way. They might get a few photo ops. Obama might be able to claim that during his presidency he did something for the peace process. But these things are not worth that much. I think these negotiations are worth a lot to the Israeli government. The Israeli government is in a state of panic at the moment. There is social unrest and a lot of social problems in the Israeli government. Just this week--in the Israeli public. Just this week it was revealed that there is a pension shortage, and people who are going to retire in the next ten years are going to have their pension payments reduced by 10 percent. So that's quite a big shock. And the government is trying to say, yes, we are proceeding on the peace process, we are maintaining Israel's image to the rest of the world, and they have to desperately prevent any further sanctions and boycotts from being announced regarding Israel. That is why Netanyahu uses all of his cards, all of his influence over the U.S. government to try to get these negotiations to resume, so to put pressure on the Palestinian government that will get them to agree to negotiations. And that's why he has this new plan with recruiting Israeli students. Of course, he's going to achieve the opposite result, because whenever people call for a boycott of Israel and call Israel an apartheid state, then if they learn that the Israeli student union, which actually doesn't represent the non-Jewish parties within the student group--so this is a student union that represent almost exclusively Jews. It's the very image of apartheid. And these universities and these students are now working for the government in order to justify Israel's actions, to justify the actions of the Israeli Army. So that actually proves that Israel is indeed--that is not the proof, but it is yet another indication that Israel is an apartheid state and Israel is a very repressive, nondemocratic regime. So we can clearly see what's Israel interest in this.The thing is that when the Israeli government is so stressed and so worried about the public reaction in its own public and the international outcry about the occupation and other types of repressive policies that it adopts, there is a real risk that Israel will try to create a diversion by means of escalating conflict with its neighbors or attacking Iran. And we saw that last November when Israel bombed Gaza and was ready to invade Gaza. So Israel already called the reserve soldiers. About 70,000--80,000 soldiers were called. Only 56,000 actually appeared for duty. And they were getting ready to invade Gaza on foot when President Morsi in Egypt, who was still in power in Egypt at the time, said that he could not see how the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt would hold if Israel invades Gaza on the ground. And at that moment, the U.S. interest becomes very clear. The U.S. interest wants the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt to hold, because this is an interest of the weapon companies, the weapon industries, the military-industrial complex in the U.S. Israel is the number-one recipient of military aid from the U.S. Egypt is number two. But when I say aid, it might give the impression that the U.S. is given some kind of benefit or gift to the people in Israel. In Egypt that's certainly not the case. This is in fact a subsidy to U.S. arms companies, because all of that money actually ends up in the U.S. arms companies. Israel may get a $3 billion voucher from the U.S. government, but they have to redeem it from U.S. companies. So that's something that creates a lot of profits for these massive corporations with very powerful lobbies in the U.S. government. And as long as there is a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt, the U.S. can safely provide these military deals to both countries. As soon as the peace treaty collapses, even if there is no actual war, if it doesn't actually deteriorate to an open fight, the U.S. can no longer support both countries with weapons and it will have to choose. I think it's quite clear it will choose the Israeli side. But it will be a blow to the profit of the arm companies in the U.S.DESVARIEUX: Okay. Thanks so much for joining us, Shir.HEVER: Thank you, Jessica, for having me.DESVARIEUX: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

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@Craig: I am a Zionist (i.e. one who loves the State of Israel). It pains me to see what I think is a growing fascist tendency among Israelis. However, your comparison to Nazis only reveals your unfamiliarity with the horrors of Nazi Germany. The Nazis didn't negotiate with Roma ("Gypsies"), Poles, those with mental or physical handicaps, or Jews. They murdered them. With industrial and scientific might. And there was nothing that could prevent the Nazis' decree. No amount of sacrifice could save those victims' lives. And it's not as if murder was to avenge some action or national policy from those groups. No policy changes would solve the "issue". For the Nazis, the "issue" was that these people, esp. these Jews, were alive at all.
Israel, like all nations, may exercise any tactic that provides comparative advantage. From time to time, some tactics may be of debatable morality. This situation is the same as with England, France, Russia, India, Brazil, Uzbekistan, etc. Would you say their tactics are also the same as the Nazis...?? If so, it would only highlight your good fortune to have been born AFTER the 1930's.

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    Craig  Shel_TR 

    @Shel. I am very aware of the horrors of nazi Germany, all of them. Anyone who has visited my blog ( http://bucknacktssordidtawdryb... ) knows I am aware of and could never deny, support, defend or excuse the crimes against humanity committed by the nazis. But when a nation like Israel, one established as a home for the survivors of the Holocaust and those of the diaspora, resorts to some of the same tactics as were used against them in pre WW II pogroms and by nazis I will point it out. Israel is guilty of the illegal and immoral occupation of the West Bank just as the nazi's occupied so much of Europe. Israel is guilty of the seizure of Palestinian lands in the West Bank for Illegal Jewish settlements. Those who have had their lands seized have not been compensated, just like the nazi's did in the occupied nations. Israel detains hundreds of Palestinians without recourse under the law, in the name of security, just like the nazi's did in their reign of terror in occupied Europe. Israel maintains brutal economic restrictions on the Palestinian administered areas of the West Bank and Gaza causing inhumane suffering due to, at various times, lack of medical supplies, basic food supplies, lack of water, lack of electricity and fuel, all tactics the nazi's used in occupied Europe. And Israel, since the 1967 war, has never attempted to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinians, deciding instead to exploit the weakness of the defeated Arab nations who had attacked Israel, knowing they would not be willing or able to support diplomatically or militarily the Palestinians in any negotiations to finally establish the Palestinian homeland mandated when Palestine was divided into Jewish and Palestinian states in 1948 but recognizing the post 1967 war borders. Just like the nazis never negotiated in good faith with the Chamberlain, or with the French when they took the Saarland, or with the Austrians before Anschluss, or the Czechs before taking Sudentenland. While many nations, including the U.S., have used nazi like tactics since WW II, Israel should be the one nation to never lower itself to that level of depravity. If pointing it out makes Israeli's and Zionist and their allies uncomfortable and angry that can only be because there is truth to the accusation..
    @Craig: Thank you. That was a genuine, earnest response. Nonetheless, I think you've missed the point I made. I.E. There are vast differences between: 1) cold, calculated national policies / actions vs. 2) nationally-sanctioned war crimes vs. 3) heinous crimes against humanity.
    Virtually all nations operate ruthlessly (#1). It's a competitive world. 'Nuff said.
    Many nations have committed war crimes (#2). Russia, China, Iran, and other contemporary regimes are (very likely) clear examples. Arguably, the U.S. has committed war crimes (although this is less clear). There are plenty of other examples (the Sri Lankan rout of the Tamil Tigers springs to mind). While deplorable, war crimes do not call into question into the fundamental legitimacy of a nation. All of the foregoing nations have a right to exist.
    But crimes against humanity are a separate category, legally and morally. Few nations have reached this bestial low. Of course, their national Aryanization polcies instantly qualify the Nazi regime for this category. Demonization of non-Aryans led directly to the Nazis' liquidation of vast numbers of innocents. Note the huge difference: These wholesale murders were not the result of disputes over land or resources. They were not the result of any actions on the part of the innocents, or any event at all for that matter. Those murders were simply the result of those innocent beings having been born non-Aryan.
    I don't dispute that Israel shares culpability for the Palestinians' plight. Ultimately, Israel may be proven to have committed war crimes (although I don't believe so and the absence of any actual organized trials supports my POV). The point, though, is that comparison to Nazis is simply not reflective of the facts. Moreso, it is repugnant that so shortly after the Nazis reign of terror, brutality and utter madness, people are willing to use it so inappropriately.
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      Craig  Shel_TR 
      @shel_tr 
      I feel it is right, when appropriate, to compare a nations actions as being similar to nazi tactics, especially while there are people alive who remember, in response to a nations actions. It is especially appropriate when many in that nation have suffered the brutality of the nazis. The former Soviet Union is an example of a nation whose people suffered horribly in the areas occupied by the nazis, and yet used those same tactics, except the mass gassing, against their own people after WW II. And they imposed those same tactics, with varying degrees of brutality, on the Soviet dominated peoples of Eastern Europe. The Soviet government and their Eastern European quislings chose to ignore the hypocrisy of their actions. China, N Korea, Iraq, South Africa, Sudan, Rwanda and Cambodia are all countries who have committed (and in the cases of N Korea and Sudan are still committing) nazi like atrocities against their own citizens. 
      But Israel is, by it's own design, held to a higher standard. Israel constantly proclaims to the world that we can never forget the Holocaust (and we shouldn't) and the crimes committed against the Jewish people and others during the nazi reign of terror in Europe. So it is very appropriate to publicly condemn and compare Israeli government actions and policies that are similar to actions and policies employed by the nazis. 
      Regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity, I think Israel is guilty of both from their involvement in the massacre of Palestinian and Lebanese refugees in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in 1982. The Israeli Army surrounded and sealed off the camps and then allowed their Phalangist allies to enter the camps and slaughter a few thousand of the occupants (totals of those killed vary, from 762 to 3500). During the two day rampage Israeli Army troops surrounding the camps could hear the screams and gunfire, yet did nothing to stop it. In fact, they fired illumination flares at night to provide light for the Phalangist to continue their assault. The Israeli Kahn Commission investigated the massacre in 1983 and the only punishment was Ariel Sharon resigning as Minister of Defense. Tell me that was not nazi like. 
      Israel has the right to exist, and the responsibility to defend it's citizens and borders, a right the governing authority of Gaza has to accept to end the cycle of violence. The Israeli government's decisions to employ itself, or to tolerate some of it's citizens employing nazi like tactics on the people of the West Bank and Gaza, are morally repulsive and often illegal under international law. Israel, of all the nations of the world, should never resort to such tactics, and will never be able to get away with using such tactics, because they don't want the world to forget the Holocaust and because of the slogan "Never Again".