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24 January 2014

GOProud co-founder gives up, leaves Republican Party 22JAN14

SHOWS the repiglicans really are brain dead as this is an echo of Mike Lofgren over the past three years GOP Defector Spills the Beans 5SEP11 & Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult 3SEP11 http://bucknacktssordidtawdryblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/gop-defector-spills-beans-5sep11.html
and GOP Insider: How Religion Destroyed My Party 7AUG12 http://bucknacktssordidtawdryblog.blogspot.com/2012/08/gop-insider-how-religion-destroyed-my.html
From Daily Kos...
Hunter

Split GOPoposaur
And the last horse crosses the finish line: GOProud co-founder Jimmy LaSalvia has announced that he will be leaving the Republican Party.
“I just came to the realization that the Republican Party doesn’t represent my principles and values,” LaSalvia told POLITICO. “I’m a small government conservative and they’re for big government. They’re happy to have big government as long as they’re in charge. More importantly, I don’t tolerate bigotry of any kind, whether it’s anti-gay bigotry, anti-Muslim bigotry. And they do and that’s just not OK with me.”
That may be the slowest damn realization in the history of people having realizations. I don't mean to pick on the poor guy, but this is a man who has spent five years with his hand on an oven burner suddenly phoning up a reporter and saying "You know what? Fire hot." Surely there has to be more to it than that, and LaSalvia has a long list of recent well-known examples, though I think he still misdiagnoses the problem:
I was astonished when Ken Cuccinelli was embraced as an acceptable candidate. To me, his views about gay Americans or Americans who are different from him are simply unacceptable in this day and age. I was astonished to see the party embrace him as their nominee. I likened it at the time to David Duke running in the early ‘90s. That’s not acceptable now. The fact that that doesn’t register with them is disturbing to me. [...] The whole culture of the party is just not what I had always worked for, and I think though that the fact that they are so out of touch culturally is the biggest issue for me. That’s something that can’t be dealt with with policy changes or messaging changes. That’s about who they are. To me, that is the biggest issue, that the leadership in the party is so out of touch culturally that I don’t think there’s any hope for them.
True enough, but the worse interpretation is that the leadership in the party is in fact precisely "in touch" with the culture of the party; Ken Cuccinelli did not rise to fame in a vacuum, and Mitt Romney did not distance himself from GOProud because Mitt Romney does not like gay people, but because Mitt Romney felt he could not gain the support of the Republican base if they saw him treating gay Americans with respect. The party leaders are subservient to the base, and it's the base that demands bigotry. The business wing of the party doesn't give a damn whether the party is bigoted or not, so long as the tax breaks keep coming. Give LaSalvia credit, though, he's certainly blunt.
“I think there’s a cultural problem within the Republican Party that’s beyond fixing. [...] I don’t think they can win a national election again. Pull the plug on the patient, the party’s brain dead.”
See there? And you thought we couldn't find common ground.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/22/1271733/-GOProud-co-founder-gives-up-leaves-Republican-Party?detail=email

19 October 2013

The Post-Shutdown GOP Civil War in 23 Quotes 17OKT13

MORE from the front lines of the civil war raging in the republican party. The Democrats have the advantage, and if the repiglicans and tea-baggers want another fight in JAN  & FEB next year the Democrats better stick to their game plan, you know, the party platform they were elected on, do not give in to hostage takers, do not compromise on making corporate America and the 1% meet their obligations to the American social contract and no cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid! From Mother Jones.....

Fighting words on the right in the wake of the debt ceiling and government shutdown crises.

| Thu Oct. 17, 2013 11:38 AM PDT

The just-concluded government shutdown and debt ceiling crisis revealed a deep and profound split within Republican ranks, as tea party crusaders pushed for brinkmanship to thwart Obamacare and establishment-minded GOPers freaked out over the historic hit their party was receiving in public opinion polls. Even after the conflict was settled (at least for a few months)—with the congressional Republicans essentially waving a white flag—the civil war within GOP and conservative circles continued unabated. Once the deal went down, mainstream GOPers immediately blamed the "suicide caucus" for harming the party and pledged to block future shenanigans of this sort, and tea partiers in and out of Congress dismissed the "surrender caucus" and vowed to continue the fight as the next D-Days approach (January 15 for funding the government, and February 7 for the debt ceiling).
This ugly episode hasn't resolved the tensions within the GOP and the conservative movement—it has exacerbated them. Here is a list of post-deal quotes from key players in this civil war that show the internecine battle is not likely to end soon.
THE WE-TOLD-YOU-SO ESTABLISHMENT
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.): "We're not going to go through the shutdown again. People have been too traumatized by it. There's too much damage…We're not going to shut down the government again. I guarantee it."
Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.): "This party is going nuts."
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): "For the party, this is a moment of self-evaluation, we are going to assess how we got here…If we continue down this path, we are really going to hurt the Republican Party long-term."
Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.): "On our side of the aisle, we've wasted two months focused on something that was never going to happen. I won't say that I did, but a number of folks did. What we could have been doing all this time is focused on those mandatory changes that all of us know our country needs, and we’ve blown that opportunity. I hate to say it.”
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.): Called Republicans advocating for the shutdown "lemmings with suicide vests…They have to be more than just a lemming. Because jumping to your death is not enough."
Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Penn.): On his long-held belief that the government shutdown wouldn't work: "I was correct in my analysis, and I'd say a lot of those folks were not correct in theirs."
Karl Rove: "Barack Obama set the trap. Some congressional Republicans walked into it. As a result, the president is stronger, the GOP is weaker, and Obamacare is marginally more popular. The battles over spending, taxes, and debt have not been resolved, only postponed. It's time Republicans remembered that bad tactics produce bad outcomes."
Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.): "All you need to do is look about 200 miles south of here to see the mess that Republicans and Democrats have made of our national government and we should haul all their rear-ends to Camden today to see how bipartisanship works and government works together."
 http://youtu.be/39PSpdPI5-c
Published on Oct 16, 2013
Rutgers Camden Nursing Building, 10-16-2013. (Transcript Below)

Governor Christie: Now I don't know, I'm looking around, I might be the only Republican within like shouting distance around here, I don't know. But the point is these nursing students don't care whether the new building that they're going to get to learn, and grow, and perfect their profession in is built by a Republican or a Democrat. They don't care whether the economic development that they'll see sprouting around this comes from a Republican or a Democrat initiative. These men over here who are going to build this building for us don't care whether that building project came from a Republican or from a Democrat. And the point of being down here is not just to put a spotlight on Camden, but to put a spotlight on the fact that when we work together, when we find common ground, when we're willing to put aside our partisan differences to find the things that we know are important to the people of our state and get them done these are the kind of things that happen. And for the people who give us these jobs in the first place, frankly they could give a damn about all the politics, they want us to get the job done. And all you need to do is look about 200 miles south of here to see the mess that Republicans and Democrats have made of our national government and we should haul all their rear ends to Camden today to see how bipartisanship works and government works together.
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah): "Heritage used to be the conservative organization helping Republicans and helping conservatives and helping us to be able to have the best intellectual conservative ideas…Right now, I think it's in danger of losing its clout and its power around Washington, DC."
http://youtu.be/c7Xeah718Hs
Published on Oct 17, 2013
via MSNBC's The Daily Rundown - 10/17/13

TRANSCRIPT:

HATCH: Well, I'll be honest with you. The right is a multiplicity of various groups, some of which aren't even Republicans, but who think they can control the Republican Party. And some of which have been good think-tanks in the past, but now are losing their reputation because of some of this radicalness...

TODD: Are you referring to Heritage?

HATCH: Well yeah! Of course I am. Heritage used to be the conservative organization helping Republicans and helping conservatives and helping us to be able to have the best intellectual conservative ideas. There's a real question on the minds of many Republicans now, and I'm not just thinking for myself, for a lot of people - is Heritage going to go so political that it doesn't amount to anything anymore? I hope not. I'm going to try to help survive and do well. But right now I think it's in danger of losing its clout and its power around Washington, DC.

Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.): "The reality is there's a much larger population within our caucus that recognizes reality for what it is."
*            *            * 
THE WE-WILL-RISE-AGAIN REBELS
Rep. John Fleming (R-La.): Said that the agreement will "get us into Round 2. See, we're going to start this all over again.”
Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho): "I'm more upset with my Republican conference, to be honest with you…If anybody should be kicked out, it's probably those Republicans—and not Speaker Boehner—who are unwilling to keep the promises they made to American people."
Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kans.): "I would say the surrender caucus is the whiner caucus, and all they do is whine about the battle, as if they thought being elected to Washington was going to be an easy job."
Erick Erickson, editor in chief of RedState: "We must advance. Two Republicans in the Senate caused this fight that their colleagues would have surrendered on more quickly but for them. Imagine a Senate filled with more. We have an opportunity to replace Mitch McConnell in Kentucky with a better conservative. We should do that…as more Americans watch Obamacare fail them through the Republican primary season, conservatives will be able to put the focus on Republicans who funded Obamacare instead of fighting it. Whether they like it or not, Republicans in Congress will find their names on ballots in 2014. They cannot hide or escape fate."
Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.): "Absolutely, I think [the shutdown and debt ceiling fight were] worth it! It's been worth it because what we did is we fought the right fight."
Sen. David Vitter (R-La.): "My No Obamacare Exemption for Washington language has been blocked out by Harry Reid, Barrack Obama and others who want to keep their special subsidy. But it's not going away and neither am I."
Americans for Prosperity: "Our activists are more engaged than ever in this fight, and we intend to hold politicians accountable for their promise to stop overspending."
Michael Needham, Heritage Action for America president: "I admire what the House has done in the last couple weeks. It's unfortunate that the Senate hasn't been responsive to the American people…and really has undercut the House throughout the last two weeks."
http://youtu.be/UkBQRCZ1PEo
Published on Oct 16, 2013
Heritage Action CEO Mike Needham discusses House and Senate budget deals and Obamacare. He explains what Heritage Action is doing to fight on behalf of the millions of Americans who oppose Obamacare.
Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas): Called the agreement "a bad deal," and when asked whether Congress would be back in the same situation in a few months, he didn't hesitate: "Yes."
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah): "The media keeps asking, was it worth it? My answer is that it is always worth it to do the right thing. Fighting against an abusive government in defense of protecting our individual rights and freedoms is always the right thing…In Washington, victories are rarely immediate and very few are permanent. Obamacare wasn't enacted overnight and it won't be repealed overnight. We must remind the American people of the harmful effects of this law at every opportunity."
Matt Kibbe, FreedomWorks president and CEO: "Republican leadership has completely lost its way. Not only is this proposal a full surrender—it's a complete surrender with presents for the Democrats."
The Tea Party Patriots: "The Senate deal is a complete sellout. Speaker Boehner and the House should stand firm and reject this deal to reign [sic] in the Executive branch's power before it is too late…The House 'Leadership' must stop playing 'flinch' with themselves, and instead, play hardball with the White House, the Senate, and the House."
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas):  "The American people rose up and spoke with an overwhelming voice and at least at this stage Washington isn't listening to them…But this battle will continue."
 http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/10/gop-post-shutdown-civil-war

17 October 2013

GOP surrender roundup: Sadness, woe and conservative civil war 16OKT13

FROM Daily Kos, a brief synopsis of the ongoing civil war in the gop between Republicans, repiglicans and tea-baggers. They, and all of us, wold do well to consider these words 
 "We must learn to live together as brothers [and sisters] or perish together as fools."
-Martin Luther King, Jr....
 
Clowns
Oh wait, they're already here ...
John Boehner may have decided that he'd rather not plunge the United States into default quite just yet, but the true believers? They're mad. Really, really mad. A roundup of arsonist reactions:
Speaker Pelosi Part 2:  Opening Jan 5. 2015
@DRUDGE
  • Rush Limbaugh:
    Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday blasted the Republican Party as “irrelevant” and responsible for “creating one of the greatest political disasters” he’s ever seen. “I was trying to think earlier today, if ever in my life I could remember any major political party being so irrelevant,” the conservative radio host said on his show, according to a transcript. “I have never seen it. I have never seen a major political party simply occupy placeholders, as the Republican Party is doing.”
    Rush says the party still refuses to offer "serious opposition" to Obama, again claiming that this is because Obama is black.
  • Hardliner and actual CNN contributor Erick Erickson, or maybe he's not there anymore because who the hell watches CNN these days:
    I am tired of funding Republicans who campaign against Obamacare then refuse to fight. It’s time to find a new batch of Republicans to actually practice what the current crop preaches.
  • The Tea Party Nation is very, very sad:
    Barack Obama demanded unconditional surrender from the Republican Party. He pretty much got it. […] In short, the GOP got nothing from their fight. But then again, McConnell, Boehner and the GOP establishment never tried.
  • As are a great many of the arsonists themselves, lighters still in hand:
    Must be kidding. After 15 days and no proposal by Obama or Reid, GOP leadership may pass Democratic deal for them? http://t.co/...
    @CongHuelskamp
  • FreedomWorks and Club For Growth are frothing and foaming.
    FreedomWorks: "The line separating the Democrats and the Republican establishment is fading- it might have disappeared today."
    @philipaklein
  • But House conservatives like Raul Labrador know what the real problem with their plan was. It's the fault of that damn meddling media for saying House Republicans wanted to repeal Obamacare instead of calmly explaining that the Republicans merely wanted to reasonably exchange defunding or delaying the law in exchange for allowing the federal government to continue to function. Stop painting us as unreasonable!
    "We never asked for a full repeal of Obamacare because we can't get that," he said. "We have voted on a full repeal of Obamacare that the Senate has rejected every single time. But what we were asking for, our position from the beginning, was exchanging a one-year CR for a one-year delay of Obamacare. That was something we thought both sides were giving on something."
Much more, below the fold.
  • It wouldn't be a conservative civil war if the other side wasn't returning fire, and there's been plenty of that. For their part, the Houston Chronicle repudiated their own endorsement of Ted Cruz, apparently flummoxed that Cruz's brand of hardline far-right conservatism did not transform itself into something less insane once he gained office:
    When we endorsed Ted Cruz in last November's general election, we did so with many reservations and at least one specific recommendation - that he follow Hutchison's example in his conduct as a senator. Obviously, he has not done so. Cruz has been part of the problem in specific situations where Hutchison would have been part of the solution.
  • And when you've lost Grover Norquist, you've lost the last thread tying yourself to supposed "fiscal" conservatism. Not that Norquist has any interest in tying himself to conservatism these days either, so ragged has the brand become:
    “It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed,” Norquist says. “I think if you make a mistake as big as what they did, you owe your fellow senators and congressmen a big apology — and your constituents, as well, because nothing they did advanced the cause of repealing or dismantling Obamacare.” […] “These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist says. “Could I ask if there’s anything in between Step One and Step Two? ‘Oh ye of little faith.’”
  • For his part, House Speaker John Boehner may yet keep his position after all of this—despite no apparent plan, ability to execute that plan, ability to hold his caucus in line, ability to count, ability to negotiate, ability to clearly articulate what exactly the damn demands were besides opening up a unicorn brothel for conservative House members. The general feeling among the arsonists is that well, at least he let them have a good solid go at it:
    Speaking at an event with fellow conservatives, Labrador said he was “really proud” of Boehner’s handling of the fiscal crisis and that, over the last two-and-a-half weeks, “he has been the kind of Speaker I’ve been looking for for the last two-and-a-half years.” […] Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) told The Hill, "conservatives feel like he's fought the good fight .... You can quote me on that."
  • But perhaps the most (ahem) "interesting" pro-Boehner premise paints him as a true genius who did all of this because well that was the plan all along you see.
    By allowing Ted Cruz to shut down the government, and by accepting the strategic advice of the idiots at Heritage Action, Boehner taught the rank and file a lesson that they probably won’t forget any time soon.  Following the advice of those bozos will get you nowhere fast.
    Yes. He only hurled himself down the stairwell to teach all you other chumps what happens when you do that. A brilliant plan indeed.
As for how this will all pan out? Who knows. Perhaps true conservatives will split off into a third party. Perhaps true conservatives will lock themselves in the wardrobe, refusing to come out until Narnia shows itself. Perhaps true conservatism will yet again be redefined in order to pretend this whole sorry episode never took place. Once Obama is out of office, that is. In the meantime, we'll be doing all of this all over again, from scratch, in just a few short months. That's  just how America rolls now, baby.
Tricorn hats, 90% off!
@KagroX

Originally posted to Hunter on Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 03:06 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/16/1248016/-GOP-surrender-roundup-Sadness-woe-and-conservative-civil-war?detail=action