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OH my goodness, if this had been Pres Biden it would have been repeated time after time as proof he is too old to be president. But not a peep from faux fox news though it is well established that donald drumpf / trump is not and has never been qualified to be president. He is a total idiot and I loath him and his hypocritical running mate, the neo-nazi fascist pig jd vance. From PBS.....
WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump flubbed the name of Charlottesville, Virginia, while going off script during a speech on Tuesday otherwise focused on economic policy, slamming Vice President Kamala Harris for lying about “Charlottestown.”
The former president was talking about imposing tariffs and other steps he’d take to bolster U.S. manufacturing in Savannah, Georgia, when he veered off topic. He began arguing that he won the recent debate with Harris, despite GOP claims the moderators were against him.
“She didn’t say anything except lies, like bloodbath, like Charlottestown,” Trump said.
He didn’t acknowledge the error, but quickly added that he was “finishing this topic. Because they’ll say, ‘Oh, he fell into a trap” — when in fact, he’d already made a conspicuous mistake.
Trump was trying to refer to the deadly 2017 violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, between white supremacists and anti-racist protesters. Trump has faced years of criticism from Harris and other top Democrats when he blamed “both sides” for what occurred.
MORE on the threat the neo-nazi, fascist, authoritarian Donald Drumpf's/Trump's presidential campaign and his right-wing extremist republican and right-wing "evangelical" apostates present to our American Republic. No matter how much one might dislike the Biden / Harris administration a possible Drumpf/Trump presidency is a serious threat to democracy and to our civil liberties and civil rights. This is not an exaggeration, this quote from this film of one of Drumpf's/Trump's neo-nazi fascist followers lays the danger out for us Mason says Trump is giving him hope. As Trump says, and he has it printed right across the front of his hat, "Make America Great Again." In order to make America great again, you'd have to make America white again, okay?
n this 2018 documentary, FRONTLINE and ProPublica investigate a neo-Nazi group that has actively recruited inside the U.S. military.
Subscribe on YouTube: http://bit.ly/1BycsJW
FRONTLINE and ProPublica present an investigation into white supremacist groups in America – in particular, the neo-Nazi group, Atomwaffen Division. This joint investigation shows the group’s terrorist objectives and how it gained strength after the 2017 Charlottesville rally.
#DocumentingHate#NewAmericanNazis
TRANSCRIPT
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>> NARRATOR: Tonight... >> You will not replace us... >> NARRATOR: From Charlottesville to Pittsburgh...
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>> ...he's got an automatic weapon... >> Bowers stormed into this synagogue and said, "I just want to kill Jews." >> NARRATOR: An ongoing investigation...
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>> He's identifying Jews as a threat to "our people." What he means there is "white people."
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>> NARRATOR: ...of violent neo-Nazis... >> THOMPSON: What do you think was going on in this house? >> They were making bombs.
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>> NARRATOR: ...through interviews with insiders... >> NARRATOR: ..."Frontline" and ProPublica reporter
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A.C. Thompson uncover the movement's method... >> THOMPSON: They are actively recruiting military members.
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Does that surprise you? >> NARRATOR: ...and expose their hate. >> "Make America great again."
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In order to make America great again, you'd have to make America white again. >> NARRATOR: Tonight, "Documenting Hate: New American Nazis."
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>> Hold the perimeter. We're under fire. We're under fire. He's got an automatic weapon, he's firing out of the front
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of the synagogue. >> THOMPSON: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, October 27, 2018.
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>> 34-10: Please send the medics up here! >> I've got one alive.
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>> THOMPSON: Robert Bowers storms into the Tree of Life synagogue with an AR-15 and allegedly kills 11 Jewish worshippers.
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>> 7-1: Suspect's talking about "All these Jews need to die." >> We have multiple casualties inside the synagogue.
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We have three officers who have been shot. >> Members of the Tree of Life synagogue, conducting a peaceful service in their place of worship,
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were brutally murdered by a gunman targeting them simply because of their faith.
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>> THOMPSON: Another act of terror in America, the country again left to ask, "Where does this hate come from?
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Could it have been prevented?" >> It's just been 24 hours since Robert Bowers stormed
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into this synagogue and said, "I just want to kill Jews."
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>> THOMPSON: Over the past few years, I've been reporting on a resurgent white supremacist movement.
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I've seen its ideas migrate into the mainstream. I've seen violence in cities across the country.
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And now this: the deadliest known attack on the Jewish community in American history.
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I fear there will be more to more to come.
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♪ ♪
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>> Blood and soil! >> Blood and soil! >> Today's alt-right "Unite the Right" rally is expected to draw
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over 6,000 people... >> THOMPSON: A year ago, the white supremacist movement
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shocked the nation with a show of force in Charlottesville, Virginia. >> Anti-white!
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>> You will not replace us! You will not replace us!
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>> THOMPSON: They spilled blood in the streets, militant and unafraid.
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>> Panic and horror in Charlottesville. A car slams into a crowd of counter-protesters... >> When a driver plowed into the crowd,
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killing a young woman and injuring 19. >> THOMPSON: White supremacists killed one protester
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and injured dozens of others.
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After Charlottesville, I identified some of the groups behind the violence.
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With a team of reporters, I exposed a neo-Nazi fight club called the Rise Above Movement, or RAM.
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They were involved in melees in four different cities. Following our investigation, eight members or associates
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of RAM are now facing federal charges.
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But the most extreme organization I've been looking at is called the Atomwaffen Division.
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Atomwaffen means "atomic weapons" in German. The group embraces Nazi ideology and preaches a hatred
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of minorities, gays, and Jews. It calls for lone wolf acts of violence,
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much like the massacre in Pittsburgh.
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For months, my colleagues and I have been talking to a former Atomwaffen member, who asks us to call him John and disguise his voice.
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He says the group's ranks swelled after Charlottesville. So after Charlottesville, people start coming into the group...
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>> THOMPSON: So if protests don't work, what is the answer?
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>> THOMPSON: John tells me that Atomwaffen's ideology draws from the writings of an obscure neo-Nazi named James Mason, who published a newsletter
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in the 1980s called "Siege."
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(explosion booms) >> THOMPSON: Atomwaffen has made "Siege" required reading for all of its members.
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>> "Siege" by James Mason. >> THOMPSON: To them, Mason is the latest in a long line
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of Nazi leaders, inheriting the role from American Nazi Party founder George Lincoln Rockwell,
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who in turn took his inspiration from Adolf Hitler himself.
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I learn that Mason's writings are kept at the University of Kansas.
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>> The bulk of the collection came to us in the early 2000s.
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>> THOMPSON: Rebecca Schulte is the curator of the Wilcox Collection, an archive of contemporary political movements.
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Is this the only collection of his work? >> Yes, this is his archive. We are the only ones that have them.
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"Enclosed with this letter is a sample copy of 'Siege,' the newsletter of the National Socialist Liberation Front."
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>> THOMPSON: Mason's archive is highly disturbing. His writing lays out an apocalyptic neo-Nazi vision.
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He says the white race in America is under siege by people of color, and undermined by Jews
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in positions of power. "We do not wish for law and order, for law and order means
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the continued existence of this rotten rip-off capitalist Jew system. We wish for anarchy and chaos, which will enable us to attack
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the system while her Big Brother pigs are trying to keep the pieces from falling apart."
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>> And this is a paste-up. You know, it's got... see that? >> THOMPSON: Yeah.
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Mason advocated attacks on institutions like Hollywood, media, and the courts.
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Notorious killer Charles Manson is one of Mason's heroes, and the two had a long correspondence.
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>> So this is an object that Charlie Manson knitted in prison
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and gave to James Mason. >> THOMPSON: So it's some kind of ornament or...
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>> Yes, I... >> THOMPSON: Some kind of artwork. >> ...kind of knitting, yeah. I don't know exactly.
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Looks like they corresponded a lot. >> THOMPSON: Yeah, it looks like over a long period of time. >> Mm-hmm.
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>> THOMPSON: Like '81 to '90s. >> Right. We've had the collection described online for many years,
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and we haven't seen a lot of action. (chuckles) >> THOMPSON: Right. >> But in the last few years, there have been more people
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coming to use the collection. So that's always an indicator that there's something happening out there, there's an interest.
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We don't always know what it is. >> THOMPSON: So people are starting to look at his writings again-- that's very interesting. >> Mm-hmm, they are.
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>> THOMPSON: We're not the first people to come visit you. >> No, you're not.
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>> THOMPSON: Back in New York, our Atomwaffen source, John, agreed to talk over video chat with me and my colleague
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Ali Winston. (video chat program ringing)
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>> THOMPSON: When you say lone wolf attacks, it sounds to me like you're talking about basically terrorist acts.
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>> THOMPSON: So, how many... how many initiates would you say there are? >> Or were? >> THOMPSON: Or were?
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>> THOMPSON: Wow.
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(radio squawking)
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♪ ♪ >> THOMPSON: John tells me that if I want to investigate
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the group, I need to start where it began, in Tampa, Florida.
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♪ ♪ Atomwaffen was founded in 2015 by Brandon Russell,
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a National Guardsman in his early 20s. ♪ ♪
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He moved into this apartment complex with three other members of the group.
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One of them, an 18-year-old high school dropout named Devon Arthurs, would bring Atomwaffen to the attention
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of the authorities. >> Friday night, Tampa police arrested 18-year-old Devon Arthurs. He confessed to killing his roommates,
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22-year-old Jeremy Himmelman and 18-year-old Andrew Oneschuk. >> Arthurs told cops a fourth roommate, Brandon Russell,
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participates in neo-Nazi chat rooms. >> The common thread that connected all four roommates was neo-Nazi beliefs.
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♪ ♪ >> THOMPSON: Why had Arthurs apparently shot two of his roommates?
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His father agreed to talk to me about what happened that day. >> I was working in my office, and the cellphone went off,
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and it was Devon. And he said, "Dad, I'm sorry.
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I've really messed up. I've really messed up." I said, "What's, what's the matter, buddy?
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What's going on?" "The two guys, the two that were staying or whatever,
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they're dead. I, I shot them. They upset me and I shot them."
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I tried to hold it together and then I said, "Put the gun down or any weapon down, and go turn yourself in right now.
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Right now." All I was hearing, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry."
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I said, "Just turn yourself in." >> THOMPSON: Alan Arthurs says Devon began gravitating to neo-Nazi ideas when he was 13 or 14 years old.
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So is this Junior ROTC? What is... what is... >> Yeah, that's ROTC in high school.
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>> THOMPSON: He was really interested in the military. >> That's what he said. >> THOMPSON: What do you think he was really interested in?
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>> There were two other brothers and another member of that ROTC
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that were obviously into the neo-Nazi stuff. >> THOMPSON: So you think he was joining the ROTC group
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because there were other kids that were into Nazism in the group? >> Yes. Yes, definitely.
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>> THOMPSON: Arthurs says his relationship with his son became increasingly strained. >> By that time, we weren't talking and I didn't even,
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you know... >> THOMPSON: Devon ended up dropping out of high school. He eventually moved into the Tampa apartment with Russell
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and the other Atomwaffen members. Did you ever talk to Devon since the incident?
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>> He said that he would not, when he figured out what Brandon was going to do,
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he couldn't live with himself. That's all he's ever said to me.
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>> THOMPSON: Tampa police refuse to talk to us about the case. But I obtain video of Devon Arthurs' police interview.
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Over and over, he tells detectives about Atomwaffen.
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>> THOMPSON: Inside the Atomwaffen apartment, police discovered Nazi paraphernalia, guns, radioactive material, and handmade explosives.
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On a dresser was a framed photograph of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh.
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(explosion echoes) >> Holy cow!
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About a third of the building has been blown away! >> THOMPSON: On April 19, 1995, Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh
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detonated a truck bomb in front of the Oklahoma City Federal Building. Scores were killed.
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For you, what are the lessons that we should know today about Oklahoma City?
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>> I think it's not only Oklahoma City, it's lessons that we've been learning about lone wolf terrorism. It doesn't take a large organization
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to cause mass casualty. >> THOMPSON: Kerry Myers was an FBI bomb tech who investigated the Oklahoma City bombing.
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I show Myers the crime scene photos from the Atomwaffen apartment. >> Do we have close-ups of that? >> THOMPSON: I don't know, let me look.
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They document a wide range of explosives, including some of the same ingredients used by McVeigh in his Oklahoma City attack.
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>> They were making bombs. This is a bomb maker's workshop. There's the cooler.
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This is the HMTD. This is actually what caused them the most concern, and rightfully so.
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HMTD is not very common, it has to be handmade--
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it requires a process and you have to be sophisticated. >> THOMPSON: And how powerful is that? I mean, is this something...
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>> It goes off about 14,000 feet per second. It's probably more powerful than ammonium nitrate.
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They could make a car bomb... If these materials were put together correctly and it went off in this classroom,
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it'd kill or seriously injure every person in this classroom. >> THOMPSON: So, obviously these guys aren't master criminals.
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Are we focusing too much on a group that's not really a threat? >> Well, in this case, we have two dead, two young men dead,
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shot with an assault rifle, and we recovered enough explosives here to blow up a car, blow up an airplane, blow up a bus,
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blow up this room. We have the same basic explosive kit here
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that the Boston Marathon bombers had.
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♪ ♪ >> THOMPSON: The night of Arthurs' arrest,
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Brandon Russell was also detained and questioned by local police and the FBI.
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He told a different story. He said the explosives were his, but insisted
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that he was only using them to power model rockets. Atomwaffen was nothing more than a club.
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The police released Russell without charging him. They even gave him a ride home so he could pick up his car.
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Russell promptly disappeared. He met up with another Atomwaffen member and began driving south.
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As the men drove, the FBI issued an arrest warrant for Russell on explosives charges.
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>> We had his picture. We were told that he could possibly be going up near Turkey Point for some type of terrorist act.
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That's all we knew. >> THOMPSON: That's all you knew? >> That was it. He turned into the Burger King. I put my patrol car right behind
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his car to block it in. And I didn't even think, I just got out of the car and said,
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And he looked at me and he looked startled for a second, and before I gave him reaction to do anything, I just grabbed his arm and started handcuffing him.
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Do you have any weapons on you? Do you have any weapons on you?! >> Put your hands behind your back.
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>> He was shaking, which made me shake because I didn't know what he had on him.
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All I could think is that he had some type of detonator on him because he was so nervous. Stop fidgeting.
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Why are you fidgeting? >> What are we going to find in that car?
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>> Guns, ammunition. >> You have at least two long guns,
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in excess of 1,000 rounds of ammunition, homemade body armor, no suitcases, no toiletry bags.
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It was the absence of the other things that was a little bit concerning. >> He is too nervous, man. He is way too nervous.
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>> We were very, very thankful that we contacted them away from that car, because if we had pulled them over,
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the outcome of that event could have been way different for everybody involved, based on what they had inside the car.
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>> THOMPSON: Given all the weapthem, within hand reach,rigd as well as the ammunition.
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And I believe they had loaded magazines in the center console for the rifles.
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When we found all the weapons, we were convinced that we had just stopped a mass shooting.
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>> THOMPSON: The Monroe County Sheriffof violent attack,they sd but it's still not clear
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what Brandon Russell may have been planning. He had the weapons and ammunition to kill dozens of people,
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and the FBI bulletin said he might have been targeting the nearby Turkey Point nuclear power plant.
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Russell eventually pleaded guilty to illegal possession of explosives. He was sentenced to five years in prison.
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But according to Devon Arthurs, Russell wasn't the only threat inside Atomwaffen.
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>> THOMPSON: It's unclear what the authorities did in response to Arthurs' plea to investigate Atomwaffen.
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The FBI won't talk to me about its handling of the case. But here is what I do know: Atomwaffen continue to operate,
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and its violence didn't end. Seven months later in Virginia, Atomwaffen follower Nick Giampa allegedly killed
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his ex-girlfriend's parents. They had objected to his Nazi views.
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Giampa has yet to stand trial, but the 17 year old appeared to be fascinated with Atomwaffen.
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His social media accounts were full of its propaganda.
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Weeks later, in California, Sam Woodward was arrested for allegedly killing Blaze Bernstein,
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a gay Jewish college student. Shortly after the arrest, I published a story
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identifying Woodward as a member of Atomwaffen. Woodward has pleaded not guilty,
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but in a cache of confidential chat logs I obtained, Atomwaffen celebrated the slaying.
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They referred to Woodward as a "one-man gay Jew wrecking crew."
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Three killings in the eight months after the arrest of Brandon Russell and Devon Arthurs.
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Devon Arthurs' predictions of violence seemed to have come true. But Arthurs had given police one more warning.
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>> THOMPSON: He claimed that Atomwaffen had members inside the military. >> Okay.
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>> THOMPSON: From everything I've learned, Devon Arthurs is a deeply troubled young man.
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He gave conflicting explanations for the killings and was ultimately deemed mentally unfit to stand trial.
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But as I continue my investigation, his description of Atomwaffen and its ambitions is checking out.
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Atomwaffen's confidential chat logs support Arthurs' claim that the group is recruiting soldiers.
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And they reveal the existence of what they describe as "hate camps," in which members with military experience
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provide training in firearms and guerrilla tactics.
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One hate camp early this year took place here... In Death Valley, on the border between Nevada and California.
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Atomwaffen filmed themselves training out in the desert.
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The group was drawn to Death Valley because of its association with Charles Manson.
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They made a pilgrimage to Devil's Hole. ♪ ♪
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This small gap in the rock opens up into a massive, 500-foot-deep cavern.
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Manson planned to found an underground city here after the apocalypse.
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Atomwaffen's communication show this hate camp was convened by a member who used the online handle
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"Komissar."
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I'm able to identify Komissar as Michael Hubsky, based in Las Vegas.
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Hubsky isn't a soldier himself, but claimed to have been a private military contractor.
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He boasted in Atomwaffen chats about his short-barreled CZ Scorpion rifle.
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Hubsky discussed attacks on infrastructure and claimed to have a classified map of the West Coast power grid.
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At Hubsky's Death Valley hate camp, and at other Atomwaffen gatherings around the country,
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the group shoots propaganda videos. Their members fire assault rifles, storm buildings,
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and clear rooms.
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Hubsky hoped to organize regular training for Atomwaffen and encouraged members to join
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a Nevada weapons facility called Front Sight. The idea was for Atomwaffen members to get schooled
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in advanced firearms tactics. I contacted Front Sight, and they were shocked to learn
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about the group. They agreed to meet with me out at their facility.
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(guns firing) >> Front Sight is unique. We're a 550-acre firearms training facility
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about 40 minutes outside of Las Vegas. We have 50 ranges and the capacity of approximately 2,000 people
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at one time. >> THOMPSON: When did you first learn about Michael Hubsky, the Atomwaffen leader who wanted to come train here?
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>> I believe initially we were contacted by you folks, and you asked questions.
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And as a response to that, we investigated with our law enforcement contacts, and that was enough to convince us that they needed
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to not be coming to Front Sight any further.
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>> THOMPSON: Hi, Michael, it's A.C. Thompson from ProPublica and "Frontline." I'm in Las Vegas
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and still interested in talking to you, so... When I reach Hubsky, he'd been banned for life from Front Sight.
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He tells me he left Atomwaffen and has renounced Nazism. He won't go on camera for an interview.
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But using information from the chat logs, I'm able to identify other hate camp participants.
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One of them agrees to talk to me. He's a 20-something army veteran who asks me to call him Jeremiah.
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He came back from a combat tour damaged and angry. >> (distorted): There were a lot of people
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that were disenchanted with the mission. I'd say about half the guys in my unit.
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I think a lot of guys, they're lost and they want hope. They're looking for answers. >> THOMPSON: How big would you say
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the white nationalist movement is within the armed forces? >> (distorted): There's a good amount of them.
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They keep quiet about it, especially when they're in. You can get in a lot of trouble. Going onto Facebook, I never mention the military.
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>> THOMPSON: How did the group regard combat veterans and service members?
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>> (distorted): We definitely wanted to appeal to veterans. We would say they had the fighting spirit
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that the National Socialists of the 1920s had, that people of the alt-right lack.
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Take an average 19-year-old from Atomwaffen. His only experience of war is video games,
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versus some guy like me, who knows how to handle himself in a war. People looked up to the military guys.
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You were at least using the training that they had given you to hit back at them. >> THOMPSON: When you guys did do training,
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what kind of training was it? What did you, what did you learn,
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what kind of skills were shared? >> (distorted): Going to the range, clearing rooms,
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medical, how to wage an effective insurgency. A lot of the Iraq and Afghan war vets,
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they took what they saw the Taliban or al Qaeda in Iraq doing and applied it to what's going on here.
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Jews were the number-one enemy. We would say the Jews were the virus, and the people of color,
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the homosexuals, they were the symptoms.
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♪ ♪ >> THOMPSON: By studying Atomwaffen chat logs,
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my colleagues and I develop a list of more than 80 Atomwaffen members.
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Seven of these men have military experience. I already know about Atomwaffen founder Brandon Russell
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and his time in the National Guard. But there are also three active-duty soldiers or Marines
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and three military veterans. And my sources say there could be more.
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I want to better understand the link between Atomwaffen and the military.
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I go to see Professor Kathleen Belew at the University of Chicago. She's been researching the history
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of the white power movement. We're looking at a current group called the Atomwaffen Division,
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and they are actively recruiting military members. Does that surprise you?
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>> Not at all. That's a strategy pioneered by the white power movement in the period of my study,
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and continued throughout the post-Vietnam period. One thing to understand is that throughout American history,
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there's always a correlation between the aftermath of warfare and this kind of vigilante
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and revolutionary white power violence. So if you look, for instance, at the surges in Ku Klux Klan membership,
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they align more consistently with the return of veterans from combat and the aftermath of war than they do with
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anti-immigration, populism, economic hardship, or any of the other factors that historians have typically used
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to explain them. Nationalist fervor, populist movements, those are all worse predictors than the aftermath of war.
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>> THOMPSON: Postwar periods tend to correspond, then, with with an upsurge in white-power, white-supremacist activity?
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>> Always, yes. >> THOMPSON: Wow. Belew outlines a long history of military men
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who became key figures in the white power movement: George Lincoln Rockwell, World War II veteran
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and founder of the American Nazi Party; Richard Butler, World War II veteran
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and founder of the Aryan Nations; Louis Beam, Vietnam veteran and Grand Dragon of the KKK;
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Timothy McVeigh, Gulf War veteran and Oklahoma City bomber.
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>> It's important to remember, too, that returning veterans that join this movement, and active-duty troops,
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we're talking about a tiny, not even statistically significant, percentage of veterans. But within this movement, those people who did serve
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are playing an enormously important role in instruction of weapons, in creating
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paramilitary activist mentality and training. >> THOMPSON: When we speak to people involved
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in this movement today, they talk about leaderless resistance. Can you explain that to me? >> Sure.
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Leaderless resistance is basically what we would understand today as cell-style terrorism: the idea that you can recruit a small number
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of committed activists, organize them, and then they will behave on their own in a cell without direct ties with movement leadership.
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If we think, for instance, about the Oklahoma City bombing, Timothy McVeigh is sort of the ideal soldier of leaderless resistance.
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He's in an infantry unit and serves in the Gulf and is involved in white power groups while he's on post.
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He's consistently involved in this movement, right up to the moment of the Oklahoma City bombing. We know that this is part of the white power movement
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and an act of leaderless resistance. But we have this memory of that as an act of one person.
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And as a result, I think we've never really delivered a decisive stop to this activism.
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>> THOMPSON: That because we don't understand Oklahoma City as being an outgrowth of an organized movement,
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that it has been around for decades, that is modeling the military, that is involving military members,
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that the authorities have never really been able to put a stop to it. >> That's right.
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The military response to white power activism, like the court response to white power activism,
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and the police response to white power activism, reflects the many ways that our society has not been prepared
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to deal with this kind of a movement. >> THOMPSON: In Washington, a senior analyst
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at the Department of Homeland Security had tried to draw attention to some of these same concerns.
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In 2009, Daryl Johnson wrote an intelligence report looking at the rise of white supremacist groups
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and their connection to the military. >> The wars that have gone on in Afghanistan and Iraq, we had the rise of Islamophobia.
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That's a huge factor in both the anti-government groups and the militias that rally with firearms outside of mosques,
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but also the white supremacist groups that hate people of other nations and other skin colors.
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>> THOMPSON: Johnson's report warned that the U .S. faced a growing terrorist threat from white supremacist
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and anti-government groups, and that these groups might recruit military veterans.
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>> What we've seen happen in the years since that report was released is basically everything that we had predicted
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has come to fruition. And it's actually worse than what we had anticipated.
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And I'm afraid that more law enforcement officers, more innocent civilians, more minorities
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and faith-based communities are going to be targeted and actually victimized by these violent offenders.
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It's like every month we have something, whether it's a, a shooting, a stabbing, even bombings starting to happen now.
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>> THOMPSON: Today Johnson's report may seem prophetic, but its publication nearly a decade ago
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provoked a political backlash from conservative lawmakers and veterans' groups.
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The report was retracted and his unit disbanded. >> Our unit got shut down in '09,
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and then the money started drying up, and, uh... So these communities are basically left to fend for themselves.
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This threat is out there... >> THOMPSON: After speaking to Johnson I hear from two former Homeland Security officials
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who say that the government remains under-resourced and out of position for dealing with the white supremacist threat.
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For months, I've been trying to get someone in the government, especially at the Department of Defense, to talk to me.
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No one at the Pentagon-- not even a spokesperson-- will agree to an interview.
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But Congressman Keith Ellison has read my reporting. He's written a letter to the Department of Defense,
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demanding an accounting of their efforts to rid the ranks of extremists.
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>> Well, let me tell you, I am a believer in our nation's military. I have very close relatives who serve, including active duty,
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and I can tell you that it's an institution that, even in my family, we've always revered.
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To think that somebody who does not support the true goals of the U.S. military, which is to protect Americans,
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and actually wants to use that training to hurt Americans, is revolting to me, and I hope that,
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that people in the military really do take this seriously.
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>> THOMPSON: Right-- we've identified seven members of one neo-Nazi group who are current or former military.
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>> Is that Atomwaffen? >> THOMPSON: That's Atomwaffen. What do you make of that? >> Well, I think that they have decided
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this is a strategic initiative for them. They want their people to go into the military. There's a real legitimate fear here,
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and I think that we've got to be vigilant about it.
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♪ ♪ >> THOMPSON: The Pentagon responded to Ellison with a letter stating that the military aggressively screens
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new recruits. The D.O.D. also said it had received 27 reports
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of extremist activity over the past five years, and had disciplined 18 service members.
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I put those numbers to Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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>> That's laughable. >> THOMPSON: You think so? >> Yeah, I do. That's ridiculous. >> THOMPSON: So you just, you think the number, that's low?
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>> I think it's crazy-low. I mean, look, hate groups are telling their people to join the military,
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and this was something that's been documented, both in FBI reports and in DHS reports, to gain these skills.
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There's not only going to be 27 of them in a military force of, I don't know, one-and-a-half to two million people in the United States, who are, who are under arms.
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It's not possible. I think it's actually... That's just an indicator, to me, of how low a priority it is to root these people out.
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We presented the military and committees in Congress, like the Armed Services committees,
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with 130 profiles off of the National Socialist movement's, like, equivalent of Facebook, this thing called New Saxon.
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>> THOMPSON: Nazi Facebook. >> Exactly, Nazi Facebook. And we keep sending stuff to the military, like, examples of people... >> THOMPSON: Oh, really?
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>> Saying, yeah, "You should look at this guy, he looks like he might be in violation." And, you know, most of the time we never even hear anything back
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from them. I just think that the military needs to have pressure put on it to put this at the top of its list.
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If that means shuffling around resources, so be it. We don't want another McVeigh, right? You just can't have this.
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>> THOMPSON: With nobody at the D.O.D. willing to talk to me, I sit down with a former military prosecutor
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who has handled white supremacist cases. >> Okay.
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And I can see this is a response to a congressman who's apparently asked a question... >> THOMPSON: Yeah. >> As a follow-up to some of the work you guys were doing
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in these articles about service members. >> THOMPSON: Major General John Altenberg served as the deputy judge advocate general--
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the second-highest-ranking JAG officer in the U.S. Army. He later oversaw the military commissions at Guantánamo Bay.
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>> It sounds like they understand the issue, and they laid out for the reader all the different ways that they, they approach this issue,
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and that they believe they've got control of this issue. >> THOMPSON: And from that, your impression is they have
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a handle on it, and they're dealing with this? >> Yeah, and, I mean, I'm pleased to see
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that they're doing all this. This looks very thorough to me and looks like they're on top of it.
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>> THOMPSON: So it's been put to me, "Look, this is a very small fraction of the U.S. military.
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The vast bulk of service members are wonderful people.
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You're disparaging the whole armed forces by raising this." Do you think that's true? >> No.
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No, I think it's too important. There's no question that there are organizations
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that would like for people to go in the military to acquire the training that you get in the military.
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And how we could screen all those people out, you know, is pretty difficult. But there always could be corners of a given organization
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where people could hide out and not be seen.
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>> THOMPSON: In its letter to Congressman Ellison, the D.O.D. also said it had investigated
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the Atomwaffen members I'd identified. But they didn't say what they had done.
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All I know about is that only one member-- a Marine, Vasilios Pistolis-- was court-martialed and expelled from the service.
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In response to our questions, a Pentagon spokeswoman sent a statement saying she couldn't provide information
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on individual cases but, "our standards are clear;
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participation in extremist activities has never been tolerated and is punishable under the Uniform Code of Military Justice."
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She added that commanders are "encouraged to be preventive and pro-active, and they are doing that."
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I've been writing stories about Atomwaffen and talking to insiders for nearly a year.
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And it seems like the group has been paying attention.
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From federal prison, Atomwaffen founder Brandon Russell issues a thinly veiled threat to former members,
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people he believes are leaking information about the group.
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>> THOMPSON: I learn the video was put out by the group's Texas cell, led by John Cameron Denton,
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who calls himself Rape. In 2017, Atomwaffen began barring its members
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from appearing in public demonstrations, but I find pictures from an earlier anti-immigrant protest.
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Denton can be seen at the rally with a shotgun and a skull mask,
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and then afterwards posing with his fellow neo-Nazis with his mask off.
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I get a tip that Denton may be attending a black metal festival here called Destroying Texas.
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(heavy metal music playing)
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After a year of tracking Atomwaffen online, I have a chance to confront the group in person.
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>> (singing growled lyrics) >> THOMPSON: If I do find them inside the club,
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I'm not sure what to expect. (distorted metal music playing)
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The show is packed. Most of the concert-goers look like typical metalheads,
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but I do spot a few obscure neo-Nazi patches on some people's clothing.
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I find Rape drinking outside, along with two other Atomwaffen members I recognize from my reporting.
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Are you Rape? I'm A.C. I wanted to come out here and talk to you about Atomwaffen.
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>> No comment. >> THOMPSON: No comment? >> No. >> THOMPSON: You're not going to do an interview? >> No.
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>> THOMPSON: Are you worried about going to prison? >> Nope. >> THOMPSON: Atomwaffen members stand accused of multiple murders, and their propaganda is filled
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with violent threats. But after all of the online posturing,
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Rape and the others aren't physically intimidating. And they are far less aggressive in person
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than the skinhead gangs I've followed in the past. All right, thanks.
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Hey, Jeremiah. >> Hey, how are you doing? >> THOMPSON: I met Rape out at a metal show in Texas.
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>> How'd that go? >> THOMPSON: I was kind of surprised because they talk all this violent stuff online,
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but they were just kind of quietly hostile and seething.
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If they were wanting to do something violent, they wouldn't do it publicly. These guys, they're not stupid.
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They're not like these skinhead types. >> THOMPSON: Jeremiah says I shouldn't underestimate Rape.
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He has a direct relationship with Atomwaffen's intellectual leader, James Mason.
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Did you ever get to talk to Mason or meet him? >> We heard him over a couple of voice chats.
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I never met him in person, though. Rape and Mason had their own little thing.
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>> THOMPSON: What kind of sense did you get of him when you were talking to him on those chats?
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>> I thought he was a genius. >> THOMPSON: In propaganda videos,
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Atomwaffen say that Mason disappeared for 15 years until they located him.
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They pose for photos with Mason dressed in a Nazi uniform and celebrate their collaboration.
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I'm unable to find a phone number for Mason, but I learn that he's living in the Denver area.
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Mason has no online profile-- no social media, he doesn't even appear to have an email account.
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He spent time in a Colorado prison for menacing someone with a pistol.
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A bankruptcy filing from a few years ago reveals a solitary life, working at Kmart and living alone.
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I've gotten several possible addresses for Mason, and I begin to search neighborhoods for him.
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Then, I get a call. It's Mason and he wants to talk to me.
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>> Whenever you're ready. >> THOMPSON: So how big do you think that the Atomwaffen Division is these days?
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How many members... >> I don't have the foggiest idea. >> THOMPSON: But they come visit you, you exchange...
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>> On occasion, they will come through the territory, yes. I'm always happy to meet with them. >> THOMPSON: Mason is evasive at first.
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I try to get him to talk about the killings and violence linked to Atomwaffen. >> I'm glad I didn't know about it and I don't want to know,
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because if I did know, I'd be involved in it, and I don't want to be involved in it.
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>> THOMPSON: You don't want to go back to prison. >> I do not urge anybody to do anything like that,
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but when it gets done, I won't disown them.
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I kind of welcome the chaos. >> THOMPSON: What did you think of James Fields,
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the guy who allegedly drove the car into the crowd in Charlottesville?
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>> I say bless his heart, because he sure is in a jam.
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>> THOMPSON: So you're sympathetic? >> Oh, very sympathetic. Totally sympathetic. >> THOMPSON: To you, Fields is a hero?
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>> Yes. >> THOMPSON: What did you think of Tim McVeigh? >> Another hero.
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>> The white race is in danger. And it's not by accident. It's driven. It's planned.
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>> THOMPSON: Who's planning it? >> The Jews. We know it's the Jews.
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I mean, we know that. >> THOMPSON: Mason has a lot more to say-- the kind of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories
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I've come to expect from white supremacists. But I'm struck by what he says next.
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>> With Trump winning that election by surprise, and it was a surprise, I now believe
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anything could be possible. >> THOMPSON: After decades of railing against the government,
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Mason says Trump is giving him hope. >> As Trump says, and he has it printed right across
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the front of his hat, "Make America Great Again." In order to make America great again, you'd have to make America white again, okay?
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It's interesting. We're headed for interesting times.
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(crowd singing) >> The darkest day in the history of Pittsburgh, said the mayor, and you're looking right now
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at the memorial forming... >> ...outside the synagogue today, mourners struggled to process any of it.
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>> THOMPSON: I'm in Pittsburgh, weeks after speaking to Mason and just days after the massacre at the Tree of Life synagogue.
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Before he allegedly stormed the synagogue, Robert Bowers posted on social media writing about
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Jews helping immigrant invaders who were killing his people. Kathleen Belew examined the posts.
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>> Even a cursory look at his social media indicates that he is decisively part of a white power ideology.
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>> THOMPSON: What did you see when you were looking through those accounts? >> His last post expressed that he was going to go in shooting
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and it's an anti-Semitic rant. But it also repeats twice the phrase "our people,"
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that he needs to protect "our people," that he's identifying Jews as a threat to "our people."
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That what he means there is "white people." And then, through the rest of the account, there's a whole bunch of other markers of white power ideology.
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All of that content is deeply, deeply disturbing, but is historic. We have a history.
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>> THOMPSON: You've seen it before. >> Absolutely. I think this is an example of leaderless resistance in that it is a... what appears to be a lone gunman,
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but someone who is motivated and propelled by a worldview, and by a social network of likeminded people
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who push and enable violence. This movement has been using these structures for decades.
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>> Our community was devastated with this attack, with this senseless slaughter of 11 people.
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The entire community was affected. The Jewish community absolutely the brunt of it,
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but the entire Pittsburgh community was devastated. >> THOMPSON: Retired FBI agent Brad Orsini
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is the director of security for the Jewish Federation of Pittsburgh. Even while Pittsburgh was grieving,
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he says neo-Nazi propaganda was appearing around the city.
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>> THOMPSON: And what... what's going on here? >> These are posters that are up at various parts of the city.
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Flyers, posters, stickers. This week in particular we've seen an increase.
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>> THOMPSON: After what's happened in recent days, you have a fascist group coming in here? >> Yes, and I got numerous reports on Tuesday.
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>> THOMPSON: Orsini says even before the shooting he had decided to take additional precautions.
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>> We have put casualty bags in each one of our synagogues and schools.
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There's tourniquets, there are compression pads, there's wound packing material.
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>> THOMPSON: And so basically you have extreme first aid kits, live-saving kits, in the synagogues, the schools...
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>> Absolutely. >> THOMPSON: ...and other institutions round here? >> In every one of our major institutions, we have them.
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>> THOMPSON: It's kind of sad. >> It's incredibly sad, um, to think we're in a day
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where we have to worry about security for people going in to pray.
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♪ ♪ >> THOMPSON: Pittsburgh is still mourning and the questions it provoked still linger:
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can these kinds of killings be prevented? I now know the FBI is looking at Atomwaffen.
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Agents in several states have been talking with former members. And it turns out the bureau is investigating
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Robert Bowers' relationship to two neo-Nazis brothers with connections to Atomwaffen.
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But what I've learned in my years covering white supremacist groups is that they are many and that they draw from a deep reservoir of ugliness
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in America. Just this month, the FBI announced
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hate crimes had spiked again, the third year running.
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This story is far from over.
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