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14 November 2017

Could Ted Cruz measure have prevented the Texas church shooting? Not likely. 10NOV17


sen ted cruz r TX lies again, this time to in a vile attempt to place responsibility for the mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, TX on Senate Democrats. While it is true too many Democratic politicians are afraid of the nra and will not stand up to them in the US Congress and state legislatures cruz deliberately lies, deceives and manipulates the facts of this tragedy to make it seem like his legislation would have stopped it. Another example of the Christianity cruz practices, the one that allows lies and bearing false witness to make yourself look good and bring you political power. No wonder his face causes backpfeifengesicht. From PolitiFact.....

Could Ted Cruz measure have prevented the Texas church shooting? Not likely.

Reacting to the church shootings in Sutherland Springs, Texas, Sen. Ted Cruz said there could have been laws on the books to prevent what happened, had his opponents in Congress not defeated his proposal a few years ago.
"The Democrats filibustered the legislation that would’ve resulted in this shooter being in federal prison instead of murdering those innocents in that Texas church," Cruz said on Fox News on Nov. 6.
Cruz, a Republican, is talking about a failed amendment he co-sponsored to curtail an expansion of background checks and increase prosecution of people who lied about their criminal histories to obtain firearms.
He has a point that the Democrats didn’t back it, but he fails to mention that every amendment on the 2013 gun control bill faced the same hurdle, and a Democratic one also fell short.
While Democrats defeated his proposal, experts said it would not have made the crucial difference in this massacre for a couple of reasons.
Guidelines were already in the works
The Texas church shooter was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct after he was court-martialed in 2012 for assaulting his wife and fracturing his stepson's skull. Federal law prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms after this conviction, but he got past the background check system because the Air Force failed to enter the shooter’s felony into the background check database.
So when he purchased two guns at the San Antonio gun shop Academy Sports + Outdoors, both sales were approved by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
When we asked Cruz’s office for details, they softened what Cruz originally said, saying his legislation would have "increased the chances of preventing the Air Force error that led to the failure to submit the relevant information to NICS."
The amendment pushed for clearer guidance on submissions of federal records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (mandated by NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007) and required that federal agencies submit plans for making the information available.
"The only possible contribution may have been that the reporting requirement to the AG might have led the Defense Department and the Air Force to realize that the procedures they had in place needed enhancement," said Geoffrey Corn, a law professor at South Texas College of Law Houston.
But the language was a near replica of President Barack Obama’s Jan. 16, 2013 memorandum to the Justice Department, which officials were already trying to implement.
Molly Moran, who served as the Principal Deputy Associate Attorney General from 2014 to 2016, said she and her colleagues at the Justice Department worked from 2013 until the end of Obama’s second term in implementing the memo.
It made no difference in the Texas church shooting. The Air Force needed to submit the shooter’s 2012 court-martial, and it failed to do so.
Scaling back penalties for failure to share
Cruz said on Fox that a lack of reporting of federal and state records to the background check system was a problem. But his legislation did not seem to make this easier. The amendment eliminated sanctions for states that failed to submit records and lowered the cap on grant money to help states submit them from $100 million to $20 million.
The original bill from then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., would have expanded background checks on purchases from only federally licensed gun dealers to all transfers, even private ones among family members, with few exceptions. But the Grassley-Cruz amendment chucked the expansion of background checks and even allowed for the interstate sale and transportation of firearms.
"If anything, the only way this would have affected the Texas shooting would be to make it easier for the shooter to attack a church in a neighboring state instead," said Gregory Koger, a political science professor at the University of Miami.
Prosecution of lying on background checks
Cruz also summoned a familiar talking point against gun regulation that few background check lies (where felons say they are not felons) are prosecuted. His amendment created a task force to increase these prosecutions, but it did not mandate that the Justice Department prosecute all of them.
Enhanced prosecution efforts still would not have put the shooter behind bars. Without the court-martial in the database, the shooter would still have passed the background check after marking that he was not a felon.
"He could have been prosecuted had his lie been known by prosecutors, but they had no reason to investigate this until after the shooting," said Adam Winkler, a law professor at University of California, Los Angeles.
The filibuster aspect
Reid set a 60-vote threshold on all amendments to his Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 to prevent a situation in which the amendment passed by a bare majority and then was filibustered — by the Republican minority.
Cruz’s amendment failed 52-48, with nine Democrats voting for it and two Republicans voting against (Mark Kirk of Illinois and Mike Lee of Utah). So did the bipartisan Toomey-Manchin background check amendment favored by Democrats, which got 54 votes.
Experts said it was fair to call this a filibuster, though Reid attained the Senate's unanimous consent for the 60-vote threshold.
"The notion that the Democrats are responsible for the failure of this proposal ignores the fact that the GOP was filibustering the underlying bill, which had all the same provisions except the state-to-state expansion of gun rights and a requirement to expand background checks," Koger said.
Our ruling
Cruz said, "The Democrats filibustered the legislation that would’ve resulted in this shooter being in federal prison."
The amendment Cruz cosponsored, which was defeated largely by Democrats after failing to reach a 60-vote threshold, strengthened efforts to prosecute people who lied about their criminal histories to obtain firearms. But the shooter in this case wouldn’t have showed up as having lied because of the Air Force’s failure to report his felony.
The Cruz proposal also aimed to facilitate reporting to the instant background check system with guidelines and deadlines for federal agencies, including the armed services. While similar action by the Obama Justice Department around the same time didn’t help, Cruz’s clarifications becoming law may have. But it’s impossible to say with any certainty.
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Ted Cruz
U.S. senator from Texas

"The Democrats filibustered the legislation that would’ve resulted in this shooter being in federal prison instead of murdering those innocents in that Texas church."

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Published: Friday, November 10th, 2017 at 12:00 p.m.
Researched by: Manuela Tobias
Edited by: Katie Sanders
Subjects: Guns

Sources:

Email interview with Phil Novack, Ted Cruz spokesman, Nov. 7, 2017
The Washington Post, Ted Cruz’s claim on gun background check prosecutions, April 12, 2013
The Washington Post, The gun amendments need 60 votes to pass but why?, April 17, 2013
Plain blog about politics, Manchin-Toomey and the Filibuster, April 17, 2013
Congress.gov, Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013, March 22, 2013
Congress.gov, Manchin-Toomey amendment, April 11, 2013
Senate.gov, Manchin-Toomey roll call vote, April 17, 2013
Senate.gov, Grassley-Cruz roll call vote, April 17, 2013
Phone interview with Molly Moran, former Principal Deputy Associate Attorney General, Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division and Counselor and Deputy Chief of Staff to Attorney General Eric Holder, Nov. 8, 2017
Email interview with Adam Winkler, law professor at University of California, Los Angeles, Nov. 8, 2017
Email interview with Phil Cook, public policy and sociology professor at Duke University, Nov. 7, 2017
Email interview with Geoffrey Corn, law professor at South Texas College of Law Houston, Nov. 8, 2017
Email interview with Jonathan Bernstein, political scientist and Bloomberg View columnist, Nov. 8, 2017
Email interview with Gregory Koger, professor of political science at the University of Miami, Nov. 8, 2017

12 November 2017

Donald Trump wrongly repeats that Chicago has strongest gun laws 7NOV17

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Donald Trump
President of the United States

Chicago is "the city with the strongest gun laws in our nation."
GUN CONTROL in the U.S. It isn't that he made an innocent mistake here, NOT MY pres drumpf/trump is a serial, pathological liar, and in spite of knowing that right wing evangelical Christians are still supporting him and NOT MY vp pence. I think drumpf/trump chose Chicago to lie about because that is where the Obamas are from and drumpf/trump is obsessed about his "presidency" languishing in the shadows of Obama's. From PolitiFact.....

Donald Trump wrongly repeats that Chicago has strongest gun laws

By Jon Greenberg 
President Donald Trump might be in Asia, but violence on the homefront followed him to South Korea.
In a joint press conference with South Korean President Moon Jae-in, a reporter asked Trump if he would consider extreme vetting for people trying to buy a gun in the wake of the mass shooting at a Texas church.
Trump said a longer waiting period would have made no difference and then drew on a familiar talking point.
"You look at the city with the strongest gun laws in our nation, is Chicago, and Chicago is a disaster," Trump said.
Trump used this line during the presidential campaign, with particular emphasis on Chicago’s high murder rate. Our partners at PolitiFact Illinois said he had a point about the murders, but his description of the Windy City having the toughest gun laws was way off the mark. Since then, the administration has taken the line even further into inaccurate territory.
Here’s why.
There are two ways to measure the toughness of gun laws. You can look at the rules controlling gun ownership and the penalties for misuse of a weapon.
From 1982 to 2010, Chicago prohibited people from keeping handguns in their homes. When Washington, D.C., saw a similar ban overturned, Chicago did have the toughest gun law in the country. That lasted about two years. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the Chicago ordinance in 2010. The plaintiffs in the case of McDonald vs. City of Chicago argued that the ban left them vulnerable to criminals, and the court agreed. The court said that the Second and 14th Amendments protected the right to bear arms and that neither Chicago nor Illinois could interfere with that.
At one time, the state of Illinois prevented gun owners from carrying a concealed weapon. That ended in 2013 when the state became the last in the country to allow the practice.
To get a gun in Chicago, you must take a firearms training class and get a Chicago firearms permit. The course costs between $100 and $150 and the permit costs $100. You would also need a state firearms owner identification card, which can take as many as 50 days for processing.
It’s harder and requires more time to do the same in New York. It takes about three to six months to get a permit and costs over $400. And unlike Chicago, New York runs its own concealed carry permit process, as does Los Angeles.
Chicago also isn't particularly tough when it comes to enforcement.
2014 Chicago Sun Times analysis found that Chicago judges tended to hand down the minimum sentence of one year for illegal gun possession while the maximum is three years. Felons with a weapon got four-year sentences on average while they could have received 10.
On the state level, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a pro-gun control group, gives many states higher rankings for restricting gun ownership and use. A total of seven states, including New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, California and Hawaii, have rules that go beyond what Illinois has.
The group said Illinois could bring up its score if it allowed local governments to pass gun laws, required guns be stored safely at home and gave local law enforcement more leeway to deny conceal carry permits.
The one area where Chicago is trying to reduce access to weapons is by not allowing gun stores or firing ranges to open within the city limits. So far, courts have ruled against Chicago.
We reached out to the White House and did not hear back.
Our ruling
Trump said Chicago has the strongest gun laws in the nation. The statement is years out of date. After a Supreme Court ruling, Chicago residents can own handguns and carry them unseen on the streets. A national gun control group puts seven states above Illinois in regulating gun ownership.
Trump needs to refresh this talking point. We rate this claim Pants on Fire.

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Published: Tuesday, November 7th, 2017 at 2:53 p.m.
Researched by: Matt DietrichJon Greenberg
Edited by: Katie Sanders
Subjects: Guns

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06 November 2017

Investigators hunt for motive in Texas church shooting as the grieving spans generations 6NOV17


MORE from the Washington Post on the slaughter of worshipers at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas by a  lone gunman with an automatic weapon (according to latest reports). The Post also notes the difference in reactions to recent mass shootings and acts of terrorism from NOT MY fascist, racist, bigoted pres drumpf/trump. So many are "appalled"and "horrified" by this latest mass shooting and will continue to oppose sane gun control legislation because that is what the nra tells them and the politicians they have bought to do. Hypocrites with bloody hands folded in hypocritical prayers for the victims and their families.
Investigators hunt for motive in Texas church shooting as the grieving spans generations
SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — Investigators on Monday scoured the background of the lone gunman who opened fire on the pews of the First Baptist Church, searching for answers on a possible motive while the stories of those massacred began to emerge.
Authorities said 26 people were killed in the Sunday rampage, the latest eruption of violence in a seemingly safe public space. The dead included eight relatives spanning three generations in a single family. While officials had said the victims ranged in age from 5 to 72, one family said a 1-year-old girl was also killed, part of the eight family members slain in the attack.
The gunman — described as a former member of the Air Force — fired upon the services with a Ruger assault-style rifle before he came under fire from a local man and fled in car chase. The attacker eventually ran off the roadway and apparently took his own life.
“There was some gunfire exchanged, I believe, on the roadway also, and then [the gunman’s vehicle] wrecked out,” Joe D. Tackitt Jr., the Wilson County sheriff, said in an interview with CBS News. “At this time we believe that he had a self-inflicted gunshot wound, after he wrecked out.”
Texas officials on early Monday identified the attacker as Devin Patrick Kelley of New Braunfels, about 35 miles north of Sutherland Springs.
Kelley, a 26-year-old former Air Force member, was court-martialed in 2012 and sentenced to a year in military prison for assaulting his spouse and child, making him the latest mass attacker or suspect with domestic violence in his past. He was reduced in rank and released with a bad-conduct discharge in 2014.
Few clues were initially made public on a possible motive or what made Kelley target a church in tiny Sutherland Springs. His in-laws had attended the church at some point, Tackitt told reporters early Monday, although they were not present Sunday; they only came to the scene later after hearing the news.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) suggested Monday morning that “there may have been a reason why this particular location was targeted,” though he did not go into detail, saying that the details could emerge in the coming hours or days.
“I don’t think this is a random act of shooting, a randomly chosen location, but obviously someone who is very deranged,” Abbott said in an interview on the “Today” show.
The attack left a staggering hole in a Texas town of fewer than 700 people located about 30 miles southeast of San Antonio.
“Nearly everyone [inside] had some type of injury,” Tackitt said. “I knew several people in there. It hasn’t really hit yet, but it will.”
All of the bodies were removed from the church overnight, Tackitt said, and were en route or already at the Bexar County Medical Examiner’s office in San Antonio. Inside the church, which remained cordoned off, was “a horrific site,” he said, adding “you don’t expect to walk into church and find mauled bodies.”
Tackitt said between 12 and 14 of the people killed or injured in the attack were children.
For some, the church massacre also reinforced a sense of unease that no place could be considered immune from possible violence after a concert ground in Las Vegas, a Walmart in Colorado, a Nashville church and a bike path in New York all became scenes of death and bloodshed over the past six weeks.
President Trump appeared to try to preemptively steer the debate away from gun control after the slayings. At a news conference in Tokyo, Trump said he thought “mental health” was a possible motive, adding that it appeared the shooter was “a very deranged individual, a lot of problems for a long period of time.” He did not provide further explanation.
The incident “isn’t a guns situation,” Trump said. “Fortunately someone else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction,” he added, or it “would have been much worse.”

Bailey LeJeaune, 17, and David Betancourt, 18, hold candles during a vigil in Sutherland Springs for the victims of a deadly shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Nov. 5, 2017. (Jay Janner/Austin American-Statesman via AP)
Trump’s reaction contrasted with his unrestrained calls for a death sentence for the Uzbek immigrant accused of killing eight people in an apparently Islamic State-inspired attack in Lower Manhattan last week. 

Witnesses said the gunman in Texas, dressed in all black and wearing a tactical vest, began firing an assault rifle as he approached the church. Police said the gunman killed two people outside before entering the church and spraying bullets at the congregation during morning worship.
After the exchange of gunfire with an armed civilian, the gunman drove away with two local men in pursuit.

It was “act now, ask questions later,” said the truck’s driver, Johnnie Langendorff. By the time they caught up with him, however, the fleeing man had crashed his SUV into a ditch. “He might have been unconscious from the crash or something like that, I’m not sure,” Langendorff told reporters.
“The local citizen pursued him,” said Freeman Martin, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety.
The attack targeted young and old, tearing apart families. Joe and Claryce Holcombe lost children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren all at once, a total of eight extended family members, the couple said in a phone interview with The Post.
Their son, Bryan Holcombe, 60, and his wife, Carla Holcombe, 58, were killed. Bryan was associate pastor for the church and walking to preach at the pulpit when he was shot, Joe Holcombe told The Post.
Among the dead was also their granddaughter-in-law, Crystal Holcombe, who was pregnant. She died along with her unborn child and three of her children, Emily, Megan and Greg, according to Joe Holcombe. She had been at church with her husband, John Holcombe, who survived along with two of her other children.
Their grandson, Marc Daniel Holcombe and his infant daughter, who is about a year old, also died, Joe and Claryce Holcombe said.
Kevin Jordan, 30, was changing the oil in his Ford Focus ahead of a family road trip when he heard the pops of gunfire. When he stood up and turned his head, he saw a man wearing body armor, a vest and a mask walk down the sidewalk toward the church about 50 yards from his home.
“He was just spraying at the front of the church,” Jordan said. “He was shooting outside at first, and then he walked to the door and started shooting inside.”
After spotting the shooter, Jordan said, he ran inside his home, scooped up his son, alerted his wife and rushed his family into their bathroom, where they crouched and hid while calling 911. He said the shooter spotted him as he fled and took a shot that went through his front window, nearly hitting his 2-year-old son.
“I looked at the shooter, and he looked right at me,” he said. When the shooting stopped, Jordan, who works as a medical assistant, ran to the church, hoping to help.
“I walked inside and just walked out. I couldn’t handle it,” he said. “It was bad. A lot of blood and bodies. The pews were knocked over. I’m a medical assistant and medical assisting does not prepare you for this.”
Tucked a few hundred yards off Highway 87 amid scrubby farmland, the dusty and usually quiet streets of Sutherland Springs, lined with modest one-story family homes and trailers. A town with few streetlights that typically goes dark after sundown flashed red and blue with police lights on almost every block.
In a matter of minutes, Sutherland Springs was transformed into the latest community riven by grief after a mass attack. In late September, a masked gunman stormed into a small community church outside of Nashville and shot seven people, including the pastor, killing one. Authorities said the suspect in that shooting, Emanuel Kidega Samson, might have been motivated by a desire for revenge for a 2015 shooting that targeted black churchgoers in Charleston, S.C. — an attack that left nine people dead.
The Texas attack also came just over a month after 58 people were killed at a Las Vegas country music festival, in what was the deadliest mass shooting in recent U.S. history. The gunman in Las Vegas, Stephen Paddock, killed himself after a lengthy shooting spree from his 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay hotel suite, and authorities have still not determined a possible motive.
Frank Pomeroy, the pastor of First Baptist Church, told ABC News that he was not present during the church service but that his teenage daughter, Annabelle Pomeroy, 14, was among the dead.
“She was very quiet, shy, always smiling, and helpful to all,” Cynthia Rangel, 50, a resident of nearby Stockdale, said of the teenager. Rangel, a local emergency medical technician, said she knew three individuals who were hospitalized after the shooting and were undergoing surgery. “This just all seems like it’s not real.”
Dana Fletcher, who owns a business a quarter-mile from the church, said she and her family just moved to Sutherland Springs. She said she was first alerted to the shooting by a call from a reporter.
“My husband and I both are still in shock,” she said. “It’s a little tiny church that was targeted. It’s shocking. It’s a bit frightening because it’s a little bit close to home.”
The church is a part of the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in the country, with about 15 million members. First Baptist reported an average estimated attendance of 100 in 2015. The church is affiliated with the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention, considered one of Texas’s more theologically conservative groups of Southern Baptists.
Berman and Phillips reported from Washington. Mary Lee Grace in San Antonio; Eva Ruth Moravec in Sutherland Springs; and Wesley Lowery, Brian Murphy, Sarah Pulliam Bailey, Ed O’Keefe, Alex Horton, Samantha Schmidt and Devlin Barrett in Washington contributed to this report, which will be updated throughout the day.