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20 May 2025

Rep. Chip Roy says GOP leaders need to ‘show us the math’ in tax cut, Medicaid talks & Trump’s tax and immigration bill clears hurdle after late-night vote 7&19MAI25


 LISTEN to fascist fotze rep chip roy r-TX talk like he is a BMIC ( Big Man In Congress ) about what the gop / greed over people-republican party leadership was going to have to do to get him and like minded House members to vote to move NOT MY pres drumpf's / trump's "one big beautiful bill act" out of the House Budget committee and then read his explanation why he voted "present" so the bill is recommended "favorably" to the House. He has changed his pull-ups and is pretending to be a big boy now while indicating he will abandon his "convictions" again and allow it to move through the House Rules committee to the House floor for a vote. Screwed is an expression he used a lot in his PBS NewsHour interview, he condemned the one big beautiful bill act as screwing vulnerable Americans but hasn't hesitated to get in line for his turn at screwing these people and the nation as a whole. Rep roy, will we at least get a kiss? From PBS News Hour and the Washington Post. PLEASE NOTE the PBS News Hour interview Transcript is below the article from the Washington Post.....


Rep. Chip Roy says GOP leaders need to ‘show us the math’ in tax cut, Medicaid talks

President Trump’s agenda is facing a major test in Congress. To help fund tax cuts, some Republicans support significant cuts to Medicaid. A Congressional Budget Office analysis found the proposal would mean 5.5 million fewer people on Medicaid and about 2.5 million without insurance. The cuts would save $700 billion. Lisa Desjardins discussed the GOP plans with Texas Rep. Chip Roy.


Trump’s tax and immigration bill clears hurdle after late-night vote


The House Budget Committee passed a massive tax and immigration package central to President Donald Trump’s agenda late Sunday, overcoming opposition from hard-line conservatives over spending.

Four fiscal conservatives — all deficit hawks aligned with the ultraconservative House Freedom Caucus — changed their vote to “present,” allowing the legislative package to be recommended “favorably” to the House, 17-16. But their hesitance to vote the One Big Beautiful Bill Act out of committee is a reminder that the far-right flank of the Republican conference remains skeptical.

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-Louisiana) told reporters as he left the markup that he would count Sunday’s vote as a “big win,” but acknowledged that there’s “a lot more work to do."

The four fiscal conservatives — Reps. Chip Roy (Texas, Ralph Norman (South Carolina), Josh Brecheen (Oklahoma), and Andrew Clyde (Georgia) — had blocked the bill on Friday in a rebuke of Johnson and Trump, who had urged lawmakers to “STOP TALKING, AND GET IT DONE!” The four joined with Democrats on the budget panel to prevent the measure from advancing to the House floor, arguing that it would balloon annual budget deficits. A fifth Republican changed their vote Friday, allowing it to be reconsidered Sunday.

Johnson and his leadership team have their work cut out for them. No issue has plagued House Republicans more than federal spending. Johnson repeatedly was forced to rely on Democrats to fund the government last term; his predecessor, Kevin McCarthy (R-California) was ousted in part due to disputes over spending. So far, Trump’s election has helped keep lawmakers in line. But the bill’s big price tag is once again putting the issue to the test.

GOP leaders can only lose two votes on the House floor if all lawmakers are present and voting. They have two days to quell concerns from the far-right flank and moderates before the House Rules Committee meets as soon as Tuesday to make final changes to the bill.

Two lawmakers who voted present Sunday, Roy and Norman, also sit on the Rules Committee, and voting against the bill would prevent it from consideration on the House floor. Both appeared upbeat Sunday, announcing that Johnson had agreed to accelerate the timeline for Medicaid work requirements, among other things.

“The bill does not yet meet the moment,” Roy said in a lengthy social media post. “I joined with 3 of my colleagues to vote ‘present’ out of respect for the Republican Conference and the President to move the bill forward. It gives us the opportunity to work together this week to get the job done.”

Changing the bill may anger Republican moderates. Vulnerable swing district Republicans fear negotiations with the hard-liners could produce further cuts to social safety programs, which could prove unpopular with their constituents.

Johnson had said the measure would go as soon as this week to the House floor, where Republican leaders have a razor-thin majority. Johnson has set a goal of passing the measure by Memorial Day, and on Sunday evening he said he remained “absolutely convinced” about that timeline.

The massive package forms the centerpiece of Trump’s second-term agenda. In addition to extending Trump’s 2017 tax cuts, which are set to expire in December, the bill would make good on Trump’s campaign promises to end taxes on tips, overtime wages and auto-loan interest while directing hundreds of billions of dollars in spending to immigration enforcement, defense and other White House priorities.

Between the new spending and the lost tax revenue, the measure would increase the nation’s $36.2 trillion debt by at least $2.5 trillion over the next decade — an amount the hard-line conservatives found impossible to stomach.

The split between House leadership and the hard-liners set up a remarkable intraparty showdown in a chamber that has been overwhelmingly compliant to Trump’s wishes. It was unclear Sunday how far the ultraconservatives were willing to go in their demands for deeper spending cuts and how much influence Trump has to push them back into line.

The holdouts spent Sunday afternoon huddling in Johnson’s office with House leaders and White House officials. Trump, freshly back from the Middle East, was playing golf and had yet to get directly involved, according to people familiar with the negotiations. But Johnson provided him with regular updates on the talks. Among the holdouts’ key demands: deeper spending cuts, particularly to Medicaid — the federal health insurance program for the poor.

Johnson said on “Fox News Sunday” the four-year delay for work requirements is necessary to give states the opportunity to “retool their systems” and ensure that new laws and safeguards are properly applied. Medicaid is jointly administered by the states and the federal government, which provides the bulk of the funding.

When asked later if he’s accelerating Medicaid work requirements to 2026, Johnson refused to get into negotiation details, saying only that he thinks it’s “the desire of every Republican ... to make work requirements real and actionable as soon as possible.”

Six lawmakers are pushing for a higher cap on deductions for state and local taxes in New York and other blue states. Trump’s 2017 tax law capped the deduction at $10,000 a year. To appease that group, GOP leaders have proposed raising the cap to $30,000 — an expensive proposal that the group of six argues is still insufficient.

“The One Big Beautiful Bill has stalled—and it needs wind in its sails,” Rep. Nick LaLota (R-New York) posted on social media Sunday. LaLota argued that “the priorities of the new Republican Party” include safeguarding “programs like Medicaid and [food stamps]—without raising taxes on the middle class.”

But raising the cap risks increasing the cost of the bill and further alienating the fiscal hawks.

I will not support a federal budget that increases federal deficit spending,” Rep. Clay Higgins (R-Louisiana) said on social media Sunday. “Republicans performance in this moment will be measured by the preservation of our Republic for generations to come, or the rapid collapse of America on the heads of our children.”

Cat Zakrzewski contributed to this report.

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Read the Full Transcript

Notice: Transcripts are machine and human generated and lightly edited for accuracy. They may contain errors.

  • Geoff Bennett:

    President Trump's agenda is facing a major test in Congress to help fund his tax cuts. Medicaid is the single biggest area of savings on the table.

    Last night, we spoke with GOP Congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis, who opposes some Medicaid cuts. Tonight, a different view.

    And correspondent Lisa Desjardins picks it up there.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    Today, the Congressional Budget Office sent out its analysis of the impact of some potential Medicaid cuts that some Republicans have proposed, finding that these particular cuts would mean 5.5 million fewer people on Medicaid and about 2.5 million without insurance. Those proposed cuts at the same time would save $700 billion.

    To discuss the Republican plans, Texas Congressman Chip Roy joins me now.

    Thank you, Congressman.

    Those millions of Americans who could lose Medicaid coverage are the reason that moderates have pushed back so hard, as you know. And they say Speaker Johnson told them he's taken those cuts off the table. Are those cuts off the table now, as far as you're concerned? And could you support a bill without them?

  • Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX):

    I think those numbers are not quite right.

    So we think we can get better services, better programs, save money for the American people and be more fair and have a better overall health care system. So we have some pretty simple thoughts, that you shouldn't get more on Medicaid than Medicare, that you shouldn't be able to qualify if you're ineligible, for example, if you're illegal or if you're not qualified under the program, that, if you can work, that you should work, and that you shouldn't get more if you're able-bodied than if you're vulnerable.

    We think it's pretty straightforward.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    Congressman, Congresswoman Malliotakis told us last night that she has managed to take these larger reforms, these larger changes, she would call them cuts to some people, out of the bill. And Speaker Johnson has indicated that as well.

    Is it your understanding they're out of the bill and are you OK with that?

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Well, I don't know of a bill yet. The Energy and Commerce Committee has not produced a bill.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    But are they off the table in the discussion?

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Lord knows the bill has not gone through the Rules Committee, on which I sit, and it sure as hell hasn't gone off the House floor, which I certainly have an election certificate to sit on.

    The fact of the matter is, they need to come to the table and show us the math. How are they going to balance the tax cuts that they so often want to dole out, but not do the spending reform we need to do when we're $37 trillion in debt, and the average American can't afford health care, and the average American can't afford a car, and the average American can't afford to live, and the average American can't afford a house?

    And interest rates are going up. And we're spending a trillion dollars a year on interest because Republicans never met a promise they didn't want to make without the taxes to actually pay for the promise that they're delivering to people.

    So I would say to my Republican colleagues, my moderate friends, you have a hard wall you have got to get through. And that is me and a bunch of others that believe that our budget needs to balance, the deficits need to go down, and that we need to be honest with the American people. And I'm tired of the vulnerable getting screwed by the empty promises of both Republicans and Democrats who want to try to lie to them and say that they can have this magic fairy dust of government-provided programs which are subpar and then complain when we have $37 trillion of deficits.

    We owe our kids and our grandkids better than that. So that's my answer. Nothing's off the table, because, if it's off the table, then I'm off the table.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    What do you say to some of those vulnerable populations? I think 9 percent of your district or so is on Medicaid. And also rural hospitals are really concerned. They have been struggling as it is. That's a — I know, a larger problem, but they're concerned that if there are more uninsured, that's going to fall on them and that that could be an existential crisis.

    What do you say to those vulnerable populations? I know you're fighting for a bottom line here, but people could get hurt in the middle.

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Yes, I'm fighting for the vulnerable population who are getting screwed by empty promises from politicians. That's what I'm fighting for.

    (Crosstalk)

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    But rural hospitals and those on Medicaid are concerned, like in your district.

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Because — they're concerned, but they're concerned because they don't want the provider tax touched, but it's a provider tax that is a flawed model.

    Rural hospitals can do just fine if we create a model in which they can work and so they can actually have doctors. How about doctors owning hospitals, instead of major corporations? How about letting an individual go to a doctor and a DPC model, so you have a direct relationship and you have money in an account that you can use to go shop for care, instead of being screwed by an insurance company, who tells you that, oh, you don't have the doctors in your network?

    Or you know what? You only can have a co-pay of this or a high deductible of this, when you're spending $2,000 a month for the privilege of insurance. I don't think that Medicaid coverage or highly regulated insurance coverage is actual coverage. I think I should just be able to go to the doctor.

    And that's what I'm fighting for, the average hard-working American who can't afford health care, the poor and vulnerable who are getting hosed because we're making promises to corporate executives, and all of these people making tons of money off of a crony, capitalistic, rigged system by both Democrats and Republicans who don't want to tell lobbyists no.

    I'm happy to tell the lobbyists no, to stand up for the hardworking Americans that I represent.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    In just a minute or so we have left, Congressman, I am a debt nerd. You are a debt and deficit hawk. Where this bill stands right now, do you think it could add trillions to the deficit, could it not? Or how do you see it? And is it on a track you can support?

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Yes, well we're only going to be able to support legislation that will reduce the deficit. Otherwise, we will be a no.

    The only question is going to be, what math are we looking at, right? There's going to be a lot of people throwing a lot of models around. They're going to want to say they get enough savings out of Medicaid, enough savings out of food stamps, enough savings out of student loans or whatever to add it up. And they're going to want to be really robust on tax cuts.

    And they're going to want to say, oh, the economic growth plus the savings will be fine. And I'm going to be looking at it and trying to be honest about what we're actually talking about. The American people deserve honesty. They don't deserve simple campaign rhetoric. I'm tired of that.

    Republicans campaign on balanced budgets and they campaign on tax cuts, but they only deliver tax cuts and never deliver a balanced budget. We have got to actually deliver. I applaud Jodey Arrington and a bunch of my colleagues across the spectrum who recognize and believe in that, and my good friends like Nicole, whom you mentioned, who I share a whole lot of values with and I think we can actually come together and produce a product that matters.

    But what we can't do is put our head in the sand. We have to deliver for the people we represent.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    Being honest, and we want to have you on another time to talk about Social Security and Medicare, which are the biggest drivers of the debt and not addressed yet IN this bill.

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Great.

  • Lisa Desjardins:

    But, Representative Chip Roy of Texas, thank you so much.

  • Rep. Chip Roy:

    Thanks, Lisa.

 

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