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07 November 2017

Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist? & Walmart shooting suspect could face multiple charges 3NOV17

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BECAUSE NOT MY pres drumpf/trump and NOT MY vp pence are not going to say or do anything about this murderer, this mass shooting to anger their neo-nazi, fascist, racist hate groups / right wing christian supporters. Not only that, but to turn on their base would would make drumpf/trump-pence dishonest because they are in fact neo-nazi, fascist, racist, bigoted right wing extremist. From DailyKos and ABC News.....
Walmart shooter reportedly lived with stack of Bibles, no furniture. Why isn't he a terrorist?
Suspected domestic terrorist Scott Ostrem seems to have been missed by our current white supremacist in chief while he tweets about radical Islamic terrorism. Ostrem was arrested Thursday as the main suspect in three murders at a Colorado Walmart Wednesday night. Ostrem allegedly pulled out a handgun and began shooting people in the checkout line.
Scott Ostrem, 47, was told by Adams County District Judge Ted C. Tow III that the anticipated charges carry a sentence of life in prison without parole or the death penalty. Ostrem barely spoke during the hearing, responding only "yes when asked if he understood his rights.
After the hearing, District Attorney Dave Young declined comment on whether his office would seek the death penalty.
The Daily Beast spoke with neighbors of Ostrem and they had this to say about him:
Teresa Muniz says she gets a chill when she realizes her neighbor was on his way to commit America’s next horrific shooting. The “angry guy upstairs” drove to a nearby Walmart where witnesses say he walked in, calmly took out his handgun, and shot and killed three people waiting in line to pay. Neighbors described Ostrem as a bizarre, angry man who lived alone in an apartment with a stack of Bibles and virtually no furniture.
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Hispanic residents said he was especially mean to them.
“He wouldn’t say nothing to us, but he talked to the only white couple who lives here,” Muniz said. “I don’t understand where that hatred comes from.”
There’s also this from ABC News.
Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, of Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, of Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver.
None were Walmart employees, and all were Hispanic.
Ostrem is white. Police have offered no possible motive for the shooting other than to say there was nothing to suggest it was related to terrorism. Young declined comment Friday about a motive.
If yelling “Allahu Akbar” means that you have become “radicalized” into becoming a religiously driven terrorist, maybe having four too many Bibles in your house and only attacking people of color might mean you’ve become a white supremacist Christian terrorist? But meanwhile, the media continues to wonder out loud about what this man’s possible motivation could be, with references to his failed attempts at creating a small business and declaring bankruptcy in 2015. Interestingly enough, Donald Trump has yet to weigh in on his traditional speculations about everything. I’m sure he will just call for the closure of all Christian churches seeing how so many white Christians keep killing Americans.
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BRIGHTON, Colo. — Nov 3, 2017, 5:16 PM ET
A Colorado sheet metal worker could face multiple charges, including attempted murder, in addition to first-degree murder charges related to the shooting deaths of three people inside a Walmart, a prosecutor said Friday.
Adams County District Attorney Dave Young said the additional possible charges are being considered because of the presence of dozens of people inside the suburban Denver store when Scott Ostrem allegedly walked in and opened fire Wednesday.
"There's going to be several counts of attempted murder and we're talking about many, many people," Young said after Ostrem made his first court appearance since the shootings. "We're not talking 3 or 4 people. And we've got to identify those individuals. They're victims of a crime."
Ostrem, 47, is being held without bond on suspicion of first-degree murder, a charge that can lead to life without parole or a death sentence. Young declined to say whether he will seek the death penalty in the case. Prosecutors are expected to formally file charges on Monday.
Young also declined to comment when asked by reporters about a motive for the shooting and whether authorities were considering hate crime charges. The three victims were Latino. Ostrem is white.
Ostrem is accused of walking into the Walmart in Thornton, a large blue-collar suburb about 10 miles (16 kilometers) north of Denver, and fatally shooting two men and a woman. He was arrested Thursday after a brief car chase near his apartment, which is located about 5 miles (8 kilometers) from the store.
Authorities have not said what kind of gun or guns Ostrum fired and have declined comment on whether they recovered any weapons in their investigation.
At Friday's hearing, Ostrem wore a light blue paper jumpsuit, zipped up the front, and plastic orange slides on his feet.
His hands were chained together at his waist, with a thick chain wrapped around his back. He appeared to listen closely to the judge, leaning slightly forward in his chair placed between two public defenders and responding "yes" in a clear voice when asked if he understood his rights.
Deputy Mike Kaiser, a spokesman for the Adams County sheriff, said the paper jumpsuits are part of the jail's mental health policies to prevent suicide. Any inmate who faces homicide charges wears the jumpsuit until he or she is placed in an appropriate housing unit at the jail, Kaiser said.
The courtroom with a 90-person capacity was full. At least three people identified themselves as family members of shooting victims to court staff. They declined to speak with reporters after the hearing.
Young said he met with some of those family members and described them as "shattered."
"They're a mess," he said. "They probably listened to about half the things I told them because they're still in shock."
Killed were Pamela Marques, 52, a mother and grandmother from Denver; Carlos Moreno, 66, a grandfather and maintenance worker from Thornton; and Victor Vasquez, 26, of Denver, who had two young daughters and a third child on the way, according to a GoFundMe page set up to collect donations.
Adams County District Judge Ted C. Tow III denied a request by public defender Emily Fleischmann to have police reassert control of the Walmart store's interior so that Ostrem's defense team could conduct its own investigation of the crime scene.
Police have turned control of the store back to Walmart, which said Friday it had not determined when the store will reopen. Because police no longer control the store, Ostrem's lawyers would have to ask Walmart for permission to investigate the crime scene.
Authorities have released very little information about Ostrem, who abruptly left his job as a sheet metal worker at a roofing company hours before the attack. Neighbors described him as a loner who often seemed angry. A supervisor at the roofing company said he was a quiet and talented worker.
Jeanne Ostrem, a cousin of Scott Ostrem, said in a Facebook message that she hadn't seen or spoken to him in more than 15 years. "Not too close to that side of the family," she said, adding she was "speechless" at news of Scott Ostrem's arrest.
A Facebook profile that appears to belong to Ostrem lists only one friend, a woman who is from Thornton and who has since moved to Florida.
Ostrem in 2015 filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy and listed his income for the previous year as $47,028. He estimated that he owed more than $85,000 including credit card debt.
He had minor run-ins with police dating back to the 1990s, including a December 1999 charge of resisting arrest in Denver that was dismissed the following year. Ostrem has been tied to at least 11 street addresses, including six apartments, in the Denver metro area since 1991.
Associated Press writers James Anderson, Tatiana Flowers and Colleen Slevin in Denver contributed to this report.

13 June 2016

Obama: Orlando Shooting 'An Act of Terror and an Act of Hate' & Sen. David Perdue and the Politics and Prayers of Death 12&10JUN16

Our hearts are with the victims, their families, and the community of Orlando

THERE is no difference in the hatred and intolerance preached by "Islamic" fanatics and that of "Christian" fanatics (and Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and all other religious fanatics).  None are true to their faith, none represent the God they claim to worship and follow. They are apostates, guilty of perverting their faith and leading true believers away from God. Consider the perversion of Islam that led to the mass murder in Orlando early Sunday morning and the exhortations of Sen david perdue r GA to pray for the death of Pres Obama. It is time our religious, political, and social community leaders and most importantly parents and families together denounce the teachings and declarations of all religious fanatics.  From +Sojourners .....

Obama: Orlando Shooting 'An Act of Terror and an Act of Hate'


By the Web Editors 06-12-2016
President Barack Obama called the deadly shooting at an Orlando, Fla., nightclub "an act of terror and an act of hate" in remarks Sunday afternoon. Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer told reporters that 50 were killed and 53 injured in the early-morning shooting at Pulse Orlando, a gay club near the city's downtown. 
From the remarks: 
"The place place where they were attacked is more than a nightclub, it is a place of solidarity and empowerment, where people have come together to raise awareness, to speak their minds and to advocate for their civil rights. So this is a sobering reminder that attacks on any American, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation is an attack on all of us and fundamental values of dignity." 

Sen. David Perdue and the Politics and Prayers of Deathth



By Mark Lockard 06-10-2016
Speaking at the Faith and Family Coalition’s Road to Majority conference this morning, Senator David Perdue (R-Ga.) referenced a psalm while speaking about President Obama. The beauty of the Book of Psalms is that it covers the broad range of human emotions, giving us words to hold close whether we’re angry, peaceful, grieving, scared, joyous, thankful, or any combination thereof. So it’s particularly troubling, then, that a powerful public official would use his platform to quote the particular verse he did. It’s especially troubling that it was directed at our highest civic leader. So what did he say, exactly?
Sen. David Perdue says that we should pray for Obama, like in Psalm 108:9 "let his days be few."  
Maybe you’re thinking to yourself, “Well that’s not so bad. Maybe he shouldn’t be using the Bible to express distaste for the president, or any person, but he wants the guy out of office and the verse was a way (albeit tacky) to say that.”
But that falls into the trap that I suspect Sen. Perdue fell into by using the verse in the first place: proof-texting. It’s an issue that MinistryMatters' regular contributor Zack Hunt speaks about often here and on his blog. The idea that you can pick out one verse from a sacred text, especially one as large and complex as the Bible, and ignore the context — either the words directly before and after it, the history of the passage, the cultural situation in which it was written, the identity of the writer, etc. — is, to put it bluntly, foolish. Which is why his use of this particular verse, Psalm 109:8, is especially disturbing. What follows in the King James Version, the version quoted, is this:
At the very least, Sen. Perdue is guilty of proof-texting, and the consequences are that he has used the words of the psalmist to inadvertently wish ruin and despair upon President Obama.


At the very worst, he knew exactly what he was doing: wielding the Bible as a weapon; forgoing the grace and mercy of Christ in favor of the current political climate that seeks to use faith as a means of dealing death and separation; being glib about the downfall of his neighbor; and doing all this in the name of Christ by means of holy words.
I’d like to be generous and say that it’s most likely the first. Sen. Perdue probably just picked a verse that’s been circulating for a while as a way to talk about Obama using “Christian” language, and he didn’t really think about the rest of the passage just like so many biblically illiterate Christians unaware of the dangers of proof-texting tend to do.
But it’s hard to be generous when this approach, especially when talking about President Obama in conservative Christian circles (and ESPECIALLY when using this particular verse), is not new. We’ve been talking about the insidious implications of lobbing Psalm 109:8 about since 2009. At some point, you just have to set your jaw and accept that people know precisely what they’re doing, what they’re saying directly or indirectly, and what weight their words carry.


I shouldn’t be surprised. We in America have let our public sphere and the politics which govern it become defined by death. Death in the physical sense, as we let political hemming and hawing overshadow the disproportionate death of minorities at the hands of the state. Death in the emotional/mental sense, as we collectively allow the demonization and marginalization of those who need our support most: the orphan; the widow; women who are told that their bodies are property to be assaulted, neglected, coldly discussed and decided upon without their consent; our LGBTQ sisters and brothers whose community suffers elevated suicide rates because of our society’s choice to hate and shun rather than be resolute in our presence, understanding, and love; those communities of color who are disproportionately subjugated to the racist systems that give rise to poverty-to-prison cycles. And death in the spiritual sense, as we allow politicians and politically infused, nationalist Christianity to tell us not only who our neighbors aren’t but how not to love them.
This is the political and spiritual tone we’ve set in modern America. It isn’t pretty, it isn’t life-giving, and it sure doesn’t feel like something Jesus-followers would want to have a hand in. So what are we to do? Well, for Christians there is a straight-forward answer that is often incredibly hard to implement: Love God with all your heart and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.
That’s in the Bible, and I hope it’s a verse Sen. Perdue and any who took pleasure in his Scripture of choice would read and pray over. Because when Christians use our sacred text to make a point, the first thing we should be asking is “Does what I’m about to use Scripture for match what scripture is actually for?” We have the Word because the Word breathes life.
When we open the Word and speak it out, hearing it ourselves and imploring fellow Christians to hear it, we’re asking for Life and Love to infuse our meaning and our message. In that moment, the Spirit through the Word can work to change hearts and minds. All of which is pretty hard to claim if what you’re using a cherry-picked Bible verse for is to pray a curse upon a guy you’ve hated for eight years.
Editor's Note: This post also appeared at MinistryMatters.
Mark Lockard is an editor at Ministry Matters. He has a Master of Theological Studies degree from Vanderbilt Divinity School, writes and draws for the religion and culture blog  DisembodiedBeard.net, and lives in Nashville.