JOHN DEMJANJUK, SOBIBOR, and ROB FRANSMAN from THE STATE WE'RE IN 14MAI11

FROM Radio Netherlands show 'The State We're In TSWI', the story of a Dutch Jew who survived by being hidden by his family's Christian maid while his parents were found and transported to Sobibor where they were murdered in the Holocaust. He was one of a group of Dutch Jews who brought a class action lawsuit resulting in trial and conviction of John Demjanjuk in Munich for mass murder at Sobibor. Click the header to go to the TSWI website and play the program, it starts at the 32 min mark. And watch the video to see him visit Sobibor with his granddaughter, lay a memorial stone in memory of his parents and say Kaddish.
Courtroom dramatics
Rob Fransman’s parents were murdered in Sobibor prison camp during WWII. John Demjanjuk is on trial for being a prison guard at the camp. Rob explains what attending the trial in person means, and doesn’t mean, in his personal quest for justice.
(Original Broadcast Date: 3 April 2010)
Watch the video about Rob Fransman visiting Nazi camp with his granddaughter



Courtroom dramatics conclusion
The Demjanjuk trial is finally over, after two years. Rob Fransman tells Jonathan what the verdict means to him, but also his ambivalence over the meaning of justice.

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  Rob Fransman

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  JohnDemjanjuk is brought on a stretcher into the District Court in Munich, Germany, 1 December 2009

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