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19 November 2016

Clinton's popular vote lead grows to 1.5 million with millions left to count—Donald flip flops & Final Vote Count 2016 18&13NOV16

People march and shout during an anti-Trump protest in Oakland, California on November 9, 2016..Thousands of protesters rallied across the United States expressing shock and anger over Donald Trump's election, vowing to oppose divisive views they say helped the Republican billionaire win the presidency. / AFP / Josh Edelson        (Photo credit should read JOSH EDELSON/AFP/Getty Images)
THERE is no way drumpf/trump-pence can claim an electoral victory or a mandate for establishing their neo-nazi fascist theocratic plutocracy. There are petition campaigns calling on the Electoral College to honor the popular vote. We can not give up until the Electoral College actually votes. This from +Daily Kos with a chance to sign one of the petitions below.

As it becomes clear that Donald Trump is on the road to becoming the single most unpopular president in the history of the United States, Trump had this to say on Twitter:

The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. Campaigning is much different!
President-elect Donald Trump is the same liar he’s always been. Right now he’s won a big victory and his semi-magnanimous attitude is guaranteed to be temporary. Trump tweeted that out two days ago when the popular vote count showed that Clinton had just surpassed the 1 million mark. Today, Clinton has 1,439,123 more votes than Donald Trump and is projected to have around 2 million more when all is said and done. Remember, when you bring your great grandchildren to the Smithsonian decades from now, this tweet may be the only thing housed in the “honest things President (choke) Donald Trump ever said” wing of the museum:
Sign on to the petition and/or pass it on. Yes, it is an extremely unlikely scenario but there can never be enough recorded reminders of how unpopular Donald Trump is. At the very least you know, and I know, that it absolutely drives him mad—he’s still tweeting about it!

Final Vote Count 2016


All the ballots haven't been counted yet, but it looks like Hillary Clinton really did win the nationwide popular vote — if not the presidency — by a considerable margin.

Dan Evon
Nov 13, 2016
As we described at length in a separate article, an unusual feature of the Electoral College system employed by the United States for presidential elections is that the candidate who receives the most votes overall nationwide (i.e., "wins the popular vote") does not necessarily win the election. On four occasions prior to 2016 (most recently in 2000), the Electoral College installed in the White House a president who received fewer popular votes than his opponent. This phenomenon seemingly recurred in 2016, when Hillary Clinton apparently won the popular vote by a considerable margin but lost the election to opposing candidate Donald Trump.
The electoral/popular vote disparity prompted calls and petitions for the Electoral College delegates to ignore their pledges and instead cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton, the putative winner of the popular vote:
That movement led to false claims that Donald Trump had, in fact, won a fully reckoned popular vote in addition to the electoral vote:
It also led to false claims that Donald Trump would prove to also be the winner of the popular vote if all the ballots cast were actually counted:
First of all, [Clinton's] probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast. States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted.
As of this writing, though, the ballots counted so far still show Hillary Clinton winning the national popular vote by a healthy margin of over 630,000 votes:
Moreover, the popular vote margin favoring Hillary Clinton is likely to grow rather than shrink as more of the remaining ballots are counted. A spreadsheet compiled by David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout, shows Clinton up by over 700,000 votes as of this writing, and as the Atlanticnoted on 12 November 2016, the bulk of remaining uncounted ballots come from states that went heavily for the Democratic candidate:
“A majority of [uncounted ballots] are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.” By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.
What’s with the delay? Several states, notably California and Washington, have liberal absentee and mail-in voting laws. California, for instance, allows residents to submit ballots up to three days late (although they must be postmarked on or before Election Day). These provisions have made alternative voting pretty popular, and the ballots a bit harder to count. California alone has more than 4 million votes pending; Washington is waiting on another 700,000.
The notion that states don't count absentee ballots unless they are sufficient in number to change the outcome has been addressed (and refuted) by Vote.org:
Are absentee ballots counted?
Yes, all votes are counted, whether they're cast in-person or by absentee ballot.  
It is a common misconception that absentee ballots are only counted during very tight races.  This misconception stems from two things: one, absentee ballots are often counted for days after the election since many are coming from abroad; two, absentee ballots are often a small percentage of all voted ballots.  Many elections have a clear winner, so the absentee ballots that are still being counted after election night don't affect the results as predicted right after the polls close.  As absentee voting becomes more popular, however, an increasing number of elections are decided by absentee ballots.  
Likewise, the web site of the Federal Voting Assistance Program (FVAP) states:
Many absentee ballots are cast by voters who are unable to vote at their physical polling place due to being an active duty military member, a family member of someone on active duty or a U.S. citizen residing overseas. All ballots submitted according to State laws are counted in every election.
The media often will report the projected outcome of the election before all of the ballots are counted. In a close election, the media may report that the outcome cannot be announced until after the absentee ballots are counted. However, all ballots, including absentee ballots, are counted in the final totals for every election, and every vote (absentee or in-person) counts the same.
But as satisfying (or disappointing) as it may be to Hillary Clinton supporters to see that more Americans voted for her than for any other candidate — including Donald Trump — that fact won't change the outcome in any way:
While these uncounted votes may grow Clinton’s popular lead, they absolutely will not change the course of the election. That math is settled; Trump holds an insurmountable lead in swing states, which turned his popular defeat into a sizable electoral victory. All the votes in liberal-leaning New York and California will not change that.
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 13 November 2016