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15 February 2016

Ben Carson repeats dubious Stalin quote about bringing down America in CBS debate 13&14FEB16 & All statements involving Ben Carson

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dr ben carson may be a great doctor. He says he is a Christian, and his faith and his consistent references to Jesus in his campaign for the 2016 republican nomination for president are admirable but inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ. He seems to be not only an unapologetic liar but a hypocritical liar because he was so angry about ted cruz lying about him (carson) ending his campaign right before the Iowa caucuses. A liar getting angry at another liar abut telling lies about him for his own political gain. Quite a witness!!! Here is another of ben carson's lies, from +PolitiFact , followed by all the ben carson statements investigated by PolitiFact. He has 0 True, 1 Mostly True, 3 Half True, 7 Mostly False, 12 False and 4 Pants On Fire statrments, all made for his own political gain......



Pants on Fire!
Says "Joseph Stalin said if you want to bring America down you, have to undermine three things: our spiritual life, our patriotism and our morality."
— Ben Carson on Saturday, February 13th, 2016 in a GOP debate on CBS

Ben Carson repeats dubious Stalin quote about bringing down America in CBS debate

Ben Carson invoked one of America’s most notorious foes in his closing statement at the Feb. 13 Republican presidential debate in South Carolina.
"I, like you, am a member of ‘we, the people,’ " Carson said, addressing the audience. "And we know that our country is heading off the cliff. Joseph Stalin said, ‘If you want to bring America down, you have to undermine three things: our spiritual life, our patriotism and our morality.’ We, the people, can stop that decline."
The problem is that in all likelihood, this is not a real quote from the former Soviet leader. Stalin led the communist nation from the 1920s until his death in 1953, and it is believed that millions died during his regime.
Searches for the quote do not turn up in any history books, scholarly works or primary sources. Mostly it’s just social media sharables with the quote text next to a picture of Stalin.
Our friends over at Snopes looked into a similar quote and concluded that it’s "highly unlikely that Stalin ever spoke these words." It seems dubious that Stalin would say something like this, as the quote, in a sense, compliments America for its strengths, Snopes noted.
We searched through an online Stalin Archive and an online librarycompiled by the University of Pennsylvania. Our searches came up empty.
It’s unclear where this quote originated. The earliest use of the quote Snopes found was in a 1983 letter to the editor in a Kansas newspaper.
It’s possible that Stalin said this quote in a speech or in a letter that was never translated into English or never put on the Internet. But the burden is on Carson to back up his words with evidence.
If new evidence pops up to the contrary, we’ll revisit this article.
We reached out to Carson’s campaign but haven’t heard back.
Our ruling
Carson quoted Stalin as saying, "If you want to bring America down, you have to undermine three things: our spiritual life, our patriotism and our morality."
All signs point to this being a fake quote that has made its way around the Internet.
We rate Carson’s claim Pants on Fire.
About this statement:
Published: Sunday, February 14th, 2016 at 12:00 a.m.
Researched by: Lauren Carroll
Edited by: Katie Sanders
Subjects: Foreign Policy

Sources:

Marxists.org, Stalin Internet Archive, accessed Feb. 13, 2016
University of Pennsylvania, Stalin online books library, accessed Feb. 13, 2016

False
Not on any government list
False
An unhistorical claim
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Mostly False
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False
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Pants on Fire!
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False
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Half-True
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False
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False
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Half-True
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Data lacking, but trend is real for younger Americans
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False
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